[RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Wed Jun 19 11:01:42 EDT 2013 

Which SWS action is that, with the 8 nudge choices?
Thanks,
Indi


On 6/18/2013 7:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> IT's all amateur of the Genre you are dealing with. Pop is very tight, with no swing  or etc to it usually. THis  is also intended to  be c causal listening music or to be played loudly in clubs to keep the party going. Rock, Jazz and other genres aren't usually so tight to the time  line so some swing is allowed. but in any music genre, you start to listen  too closely and you can tell  where things were either looped or replaced or etc. Trust me the drums u hear on most rock or metal records weren't the drums they recorded lol.  I  can't speak to default reaper set up as i have the SWS extension installed. This extension has a feature where it allows you to assign a keyboard shortcut to up to 8 nudge presets to  nudge left or right.  Those where the presets  I used when i had to do some nudging around the time line.
> On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:49 PM, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Well i should probably stop sending mails since i won't have the chance to check out slip editting untill i'm at home, but i'm really curious that how it works.
>> So i'm gonna clip out every single  miskick (the ones that are out of the timing tempo) and nudge them one by one?
>> Isn't going to take more than one day for a song? since you have to  clip out every single kick, then actually bring up the nudge window... set the position, then move the clip   left and right untill it fits the grid?
>> I assume there should be a shortcut also for nudging? pressing the space and enter on  nudge left and nudge right kinda suck... in terms of accessibility, also. since whenever i try pressing them, the clip begins to play and pause.
>>
>> I'm checking out reaper on my laptop without any recording tools of course.
>> Oh, and about the looping,  what i'm going to record is mostly rock music, so i don't think looping would be nice, except that maybe i found myself lazy, or very bad at playing the drum on my keyboard. Maybe i just need to practice that? i found  playing drum on time very hard on a keyboard, specially when the duration goes over one minute...
>>
>> Oh and yeah, what indi said. just check out every rap and hiphop song.. stuff like justin beeber and rihana or whatever... and enjoy the unending loops lol.
>> Cheers
>> Hadi
>>
>> On 6/19/2013 2:34 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>> That's what you get in all the top 40 hits now, they make 1 perfect phrase, then repeat it again and again, sometimes treating it with different effects, sometimes not even bothering.
>>> I listen to many vocal tutorials taking a single vocal line, copying it to another track, delaying or stretching or shrinking it slightly, so it's not quite the same, then panning the two vocals hard left and right, and you have the typical vocal lead you hear in all the hits.
>>> TC Helicon's gear does this automatically, with their thickening setting, then adds harmonies above or below the original vocal line, all really just a single vocal treated in various ways.
>>> Done right it sounds good, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/18/2013 5:04 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>> Yes once you have   slip edited one pass of the first  verse and have
>>>> it all on the grid, You can glue all the splits back together to make
>>>> it an item again and then set it to be a loop. Then instead of having
>>>> to slip edit the reast of the drums for the verses, you can delete
>>>> them and just set the number of times u want that first past to loop
>>>> for the length of the verse.  The downside to this is that a real
>>>> drummer never hits  the drums exactly the same way twice so the
>>>> natrual dynamic and feel may be lost. That  being said, by the time
>>>> the song is mixed  I doubt anyone willnoticed where a loop was used in
>>>> most cases. Yes this method can be used for guitars and other
>>>> instruments . Though with guitars i usually just cut out the spot
>>>> thats bad, and find a place else where in the song where that guitar
>>>> part was  played well, copy it, and  paste it in the bad spot .
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> Thank you both for helping.
>>>>> @monkey pusher, wow! Thanks hugely for that great describtion, i needed
>>>>> some good explaination like this! i just  understand now how it's gonna
>>>>> work. Actually, indigo's explaination made sense now, Because i really
>>>>> didn't know what  would he mean by "forcing the clips to be aligned
>>>>> with  the nearest grid line"
>>>>>     just need to wait to get back home and start recording and playing
>>>>> with it. It  doesn't matter if it costs me time, i just want it to work.
>>>>> So, is it possible to loop an audio clip by  copying an item and making
>>>>> some more instence of it? (specially drums). I think that was the thing
>>>>> that TheOreoMonster was pointing at at  his last reply?
>>>>> By the way, is it possible to use this method to fix some glitches in
>>>>> music? like, fixing a guitar that is playing,  and falls back and forth
>>>>> of the time signeture?
>>>>> I think i need to just get reaper on my laptop and try to load some
>>>>> songs to it and try this untill i get back to home, because for sure i'm
>>>>> going to  have more questions once i start using this method. for
>>>>> example, i need to figure out how nudge feature would work, haven't
>>>>> used it at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks once again!
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Hadi
>>>>> On 6/18/2013 10:08 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>> Grid is the term used in DAWS usually meaning on the  beat or measure.
>>>>>> So alligning your drum track to teh grid is essentially syncing it up
>>>>>> to the proper tempo  or beat/measure. Items is the individual clips of
>>>>>> audio on the tracks.  When  you import your drum tracks i it will
>>>>>> probably be one item on each track  You can play through the project
>>>>>> and  pause the  it at a place where you find something thats out of
>>>>>> sync. You can then press  the letter S to split the item on the
>>>>>> selected  track. (Up and down arrows to move through the track list
>>>>>> and select a track.)  Every time you press the letter S you create
>>>>>> another item on that track since you just created a split or break in
>>>>>> the item and its no longer  that one longfile. So create a split at
>>>>>> the start and end of the drum hit you want to move, then use the nudge
>>>>>> keyboard shortcut to nudge that hit forward or back on the timeline in
>>>>>> small ammounts till its falls where it needs to be in sync with the
>>>>>> tempo of the song. This is time consuming and there is no auto mated
>>>>>> fix that work with any good results. Thee is a reason why people who
>>>>>> do this work charge good money for it. IF you become good at it and
>>>>>> can start doing it quickly  you could be one of those people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can also select multiple  tracks and items  at once to speed up
>>>>>> the process depending on the drum tracks you are editing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shift+up or down arrow selects each track as u move to it leaving the
>>>>>> previous track selected.
>>>>>> Alt Left and Right arrows allow you to move through all clips or iTems
>>>>>> on a track.
>>>>>> Alt+Shift+left and right arrows allows you to move through items and
>>>>>> select the m as you go .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you have a group of tracks selected , you can use the nudge
>>>>>> commands to move all selected itmes on those tracks at the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello guys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for replying back
>>>>>>> First, regarding TheOreoMonster's post.
>>>>>>> I'm a DAW newb, i have no idea how actually to navigate within a tracks.
>>>>>>> and also, i don't know what are items and grids. Do i need to actually
>>>>>>> cut my drum track to peaces or something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @indigo, i was hoping for an automated solution, i will have to check
>>>>>>> strech markers out.
>>>>>>> However there's a problem and it seems that i completely suck at working
>>>>>>> with reaper. i have no idea what shortcuts to use to move the cursor
>>>>>>> within a track, and position the markers and time selections. i tried to
>>>>>>> figure out also what grids are but couldn't find anything.
>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas that what documents should i study for these? i
>>>>>>> tried googling some but they all lead to  amazon book, and payed
>>>>>>> courses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/18/2013 5:17 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>> I haven't got round to trying it yet, but in the latest Reaper 4.4402
>>>>>>>> you got Stretch Marks, Which is both another visual means of aligning
>>>>>>>> an audio track to visual marks, for sighted users; and also an
>>>>>>>> automatic method of forcing transcients of an audio track to be
>>>>>>>> aligned to another audio track's rhythm.
>>>>>>>> It's brand new, so you'll need to experiment with it, but; in the
>>>>>>>> Cockos forums; users were taking a spoken vocal track and forcing the
>>>>>>>> words to align with a rhythm track, instant rap in a single move
>>>>>>>> Stretch Marks is in the items menu; with a submenu to allow setting
>>>>>>>> stretch marks to the grid.
>>>>>>>> All the daws are getting Stretch Markers, Reason just got them in
>>>>>>>> version 7.
>>>>>>>>   From what I've read; in the newest Reaper; ; if you had an audio track
>>>>>>>> with clicks on it, that would do to align your drum track to perfect
>>>>>>>> timing.
>>>>>>>> I don't know any more about it than that at the moment.
>>>>>>>> You can try the old method, which was to get Reaper to slice your
>>>>>>>> audio drum track into slices based on transcients, which is usually
>>>>>>>> the kick drum, since it's the loudest drum most of the time.
>>>>>>>> Then, once you have the slices, you force them to align with the
>>>>>>>> nearest grid line.
>>>>>>>> You can set the grid to thirty secondths, sixteenths, eighths,
>>>>>>>> etcetera, in Reaper's quantize.
>>>>>>>> There is also a Snap to Grid setting in the options menu; where you
>>>>>>>> can set the grid resolution.
>>>>>>>> Then; once the slices are on the proper timing;  you glue the slices
>>>>>>>> back together.
>>>>>>>> You can understand the advantage of the new Stretch marks method, only
>>>>>>>> a single step; if you have a reference rhythm audio track that is
>>>>>>>> already in perfect timing.
>>>>>>>> I haven't done these yet, I've been concentrating on midi editing, not
>>>>>>>> so much on audio editing.
>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2013 7:53 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Same can be done by ears. split into items and use the nudge keyboard
>>>>>>>>> shortcuts. If you use SWS  you can set a preset nudge value for up to
>>>>>>>>> 8 presets and assign them to keyboard shortcuts  This could allow u
>>>>>>>>> to move quicker through things.  Saved me some time when lining up
>>>>>>>>> some parts of a project where i was just sent all the files instead
>>>>>>>>> of the actual project files.  Also to save time, use the above method
>>>>>>>>> to edit each part you need to the grid, then make loops out of them.
>>>>>>>>> then u can stretch them for as many measures as you need and copy and
>>>>>>>>> paste them to various parts of the project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:53 AM, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to record a drum with my workstation.  i output the
>>>>>>>>>> workstation's audio to reaper.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a good drum player, thus my timings are not 100% right.
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to do audio quantizing in reaper, so my drum and
>>>>>>>>>> rhythms become accurate?
>>>>>>>>>> I did a google search, and i found this.
>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=92816
>>>>>>>>>> so slicing and cutting sounds like that it would require eye sight
>>>>>>>>>> to match clips  with each other visually?
>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you help me out with this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>>>>
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