[RWP] Automation
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Jun 11 05:54:42 EDT 2013
What I did was to drop a marker and listen to the playback after making a
change.
You don't hear the values change but you do hear the audio get louder or
softer.
The automation appears to get replaced by any new moves you make.
But the damndest thing is that if you don't go in sequence, ie from the
beginning to the end in order, if you want to go back and put an automation
move or change further back then you get a nice fade envelope between those
two points you didn't ask for.
So the only way I can see so far to get it to honor exactly what you did is
to go in sequence early to latest and do your automation moves.
It appears to work whether the transport is stopped or also when it's
playing.
But you don't hear the values changing only guessing from the audio.
Another thing that annoys me about reaper is that the meters don't stay
where your peaks are, I guess this is technically more accurate in a way,
but when I stop the transport in a hot spot I'd like to hear what the hot
spots were, but it goes back to 0.
So you have to play the song and do the meters and hope you catch the
hottest stuff.
There's probably a way to read transient peaks, I think I remember it in the
actions list, I just can't remember what it is right now.
But besides using my ears, I wanted to use the meters to tell if I'd gotten
relative levels back to the default values after making a move.
Anyway, fun times.
We're learning stuff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
> So, Chris. How does this work? I'm missing something. In latch mode, alt
> up and down arrow don't appear to do anything at all when stopped. As I
> understand this, you stop the transport, go to latch mode, and then change
> the volumen somehow, and start playing to record the snapshot.
> But, I'm botthered by the volume not appearing to change.
> If it could change, then you would not hear the effect you have until you
> start playing. If you don't like, I presume you stop, control+z, and
> just repeat the procedure.
> But, if alt up and down arrow are not changing the volume, how could you
> gell whetehr or not you are actually doing anything different?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>
>
>> Finally got it to work.
>>
>> I could have sworn I tried this in 3.78 maybe this is something they
>> introduced in 4 will have to try it with 3.78.
>>
>> Using 4.25 in latch mode and it works like snapshots in sonar the only
>> thing is you can't tell where your volume is set.
>>
>> Because in latch mode the alt up arrow doesn't do anything, or rather it
>> doesn't read the values your changing to.
>>
>> So you got to do it by ear.
>>
>> Since I got 4 machines fried it messed up all my experimental stuff going
>> on,
>> so I just got reaper back on here to try stuff.
>>
>> If latch mode makes me not have to fill out automation envelopes to the
>> end, I might come to grips with reapers automation boy howdy.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>
>>
>>> It can even be done from the qwerty keyboard. Set a track to latch,
>>> play for a bit, pause the project, make a change, and press play again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:20 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've not gotten that to work yet.
>>>>
>>>> But it's good to know it can be done.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 2:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can do that though. Just pause the project, make your move and
>>>>> resume playback.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It depends on the song, but some tracks really are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if your fx are in the right place, and your just turning the
>>>>>> volume up and down, it won't change how hard your pushing a
>>>>>> compressor or whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless your talking about mixing in to a comp on the master bus which
>>>>>> is a good idea because it'll make you make better choices when
>>>>>> automating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's like the compresssor is pushing back at you, they talked about
>>>>>> that over on home recording show, those guys work a lot and know
>>>>>> their shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like my path of learning kind of took the same as theirs did,
>>>>>> but I picked up a whole lot of stuff I wasn't doing before but now I
>>>>>> do, a little more paralel mixing and processing, and more use of
>>>>>> spaces, like more than one reverb in a mix, well, I guess I'd done
>>>>>> that with reverb on guitars, but not as a global effect so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But volume changes, sometimes they aren't needed at all but remember
>>>>>> those old days when you had 5 people at the board all with hands on
>>>>>> faders assigned to do moves at certain places?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being able to subtly change the volume and get a vocal track nice and
>>>>>> even without having to depend on a compressor so much is just way
>>>>>> cool, especially on a classical or jazz track where a compressor will
>>>>>> not be desired so much or very minimal at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So yes, automation is a foundational thing for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also with midi, doing things like fading strings, or swelling orgns,
>>>>>> you sure don't want the daw yanking your values back to last known
>>>>>> value after you did something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess that's where I got used to the leave it where I set it till I
>>>>>> tell you to move way of working because
>>>>>> I started off doing mostly midi, and that's how midi controlers act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But yes I hear what your saying,
>>>>>> there are mixes where not much automation is needed and it just
>>>>>> sounds fine the way it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do stuff like automated mutes too, like when I'm using auto-tune,
>>>>>> I'll quickly sub in the auto-tuned track when I want a phrase or work
>>>>>> to be auto-tuned and then the un-processed track when I want it to be
>>>>>> heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you can't tell when the tracks are swapping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the beauty of being able to get just in the right place stop
>>>>>> the transport and put in a single move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sure wish reaper would do that for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe some day right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, what reaper does, it does well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to give it the nod for cross-fading and item based editing for
>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sonar atleast as of 8.5.3 was kind of behind in that area, but x2 is
>>>>>> supposed to really have upped the game with take lanes, and improved
>>>>>> clip editing, and blah blah blah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But of course they broke the ui again, so we're back at square 1 or
>>>>>> maybe 2 or 3 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a really dramatic change though, I'd instinctively reach for a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> track regardless of what DAW I'm in at the time because chances are
>>>>>>> that big change would screw with whichever plugins were processing
>>>>>>> that track. Are your mixes really as full of automation as this
>>>>>>> conversation makes them seem? I can't recall hearing your work off
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> top of my head, but I'd like to be able to put some sound to the
>>>>>>> theory. Not doubting your approach, it's just so different from my
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> that it sparks curiosity. For me, automation has always just been a
>>>>>>> sweetener or a few finishing touches, rather than a building block
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> a thing that holds the mix together. Probably ended up that way
>>>>>>> because automation always felt a bit clunky and fragile in the DAW
>>>>>>> where I learned the ropes, plus I'm not really a mixer at heart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The only problem with that is that if you do a big change it sounds
>>>>>>>> abrupt
>>>>>>>> and you have to mess with the fade ins and outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can't do little changes to get to the big change, a little at a
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> without splitting lots of items out and that get's messy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it's doable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you do have the fade in and fade out values on the items to
>>>>>>>> work with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One nice thing about splitting items and setting different volumes
>>>>>>>> for them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is you can change it easily without having to draw a curve again,
>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>> change the value if you thought that part needed to be a bit louder
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> softer or whatever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In sonar, if you mess something up, sometimes you can delete it,
>>>>>>>> but usually
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it means scratching the automation and starting over again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So splitting items can help work flow in this regard, you can
>>>>>>>> audition a
>>>>>>>> change and then change it and not have to worry about turning off
>>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and such, or previously written automation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:40 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating just
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> selected item.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not sure
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like there
>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief and
>>>>>>>>>> standardised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected item.
>>>>>>>>>>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be read
>>>>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>>>>> select an item?
>>>>>>>>>>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made at
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>> else that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>> automation are
>>>>>>>>>>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus away
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something or
>>>>>>>>>>>> other,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual part.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>>>>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning position
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the song
>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want the
>>>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to
>>>>>>>>>>>> working, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>> tweak
>>>>>>>>>>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous
>>>>>>>>>>>> state. That
>>>>>>>>>>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want them
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> split
>>>>>>>>>>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshots. I like to name items descriptively as I go when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after months
>>>>>>>>>>>> away I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you left
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my volume or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> envelops,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you got
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do fills
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each move
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protools and such?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> write,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the track from the beginning. to set that level or pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is u just have to engage the transport in order to set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part where ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that it will automate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i hear of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remebering ct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cludge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading ans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels. In pt,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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