[RWP] Automation

Mon Jun 10 20:07:56 EDT 2013

Another way to do this is to either using the track grouping feature, the track folder feature or outputting all the tracks to a aux bux  (rather than sending them) that way you could treat  all the audio  on the multiple tracks for automating with one volume/pan knob or one fx chain for stuff you would put on all tracks.
On Jun 10, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:

> I like track naming, which gives enough characters for a few hints; like I might put 1e 1m after a track's name  to indicate that I equalized and maximized it once; a sort of little personal code to remind me what I did.
> If I use your method of splitting off the portion of an item I want to automate; I'd cut it and paste it onto another track, so I could include some automation info in the new track's name.
> Or; you can save the automation as a project, and write comments under the notes tab in project settings
> 
> I haven't written comments there, so don't know how many characters you get.
> Indi.
> 
> 
> On 6/10/2013 6:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Question, how are you guys keeping track of what you've automated in a
>> project so far? One of the big reasons I went down the item-based
>> workflow route for this stuff was the ability to rename items so that
>> I can keep track of what I've done. I've put quite a bit of thought
>> into standardising the grunt work of recording and mixing the type of
>> material I work on most often to increase efficiency, but when clients
>> are asking for mix revisions, it can quickly become a lot less linear.
>> It's good to know at a glance what's going on on a given track without
>> having to listen through. Items allow me to jump right to the chunk of
>> audio I've processed, and if I've named them clearly enough I'll
>> remember what I did to it. I noticed Chris mentioned markers, but I'm
>> already using those to mark key sections of songs for quick
>> navigation.
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 6/10/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> I just discovered something else nice.
>>> 
>>> YOu can change the automation you lay down and it replaces the old or
>>> previous automation.
>>> 
>>> I made a marker and hiked the volume way up with the alt up arrow, then went
>>> 
>>> and dropped it back down in the same spot.
>>> 
>>> And it honored that.
>>> 
>>> That's one bitch I have about sonar, cubass let's you replace automation
>>> like reaper seems to but with sonar so far we have to delete pre existing
>>> automation before writing new stuff or it gets in a tug of war.
>>> 
>>> And I still can't tell where I've set things to, but careful listening and
>>> looking at meters might give a clue.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, this is more like it.
>>> 
>>> And even on the keyboard one can always drop series of volume changes to get
>>> 
>>> a smooth transition, not quite as fast as sonar but since you can over-ride
>>> 
>>> your mistakes if you mess up a bit you can fix it easier so it evens out
>>> maybe.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> It can even be done from the qwerty keyboard.  Set a track to latch, play
>>>> 
>>>> for a bit,  pause the project, make a change, and press play again.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:20 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I've not gotten that to work yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it's good to know it can be done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 2:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can do that though.  Just pause the project, make your move and
>>>>>> resume playback.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It depends on the song, but some tracks really are.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And if your fx are in the right place, and your just turning the volume
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> up and down, it won't change how hard your pushing a compressor or
>>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Unless your talking about mixing in to a comp on the master bus which
>>>>>>> is a good idea because it'll make you make better choices when
>>>>>>> automating.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's like the compresssor is pushing back at you, they talked about
>>>>>>> that over on home recording show, those guys work a lot and know their
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> shit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I feel like my path of learning kind of took the same as theirs did,
>>>>>>> but I picked up a whole lot of stuff I wasn't doing before but now I
>>>>>>> do, a little more paralel mixing and processing, and more use of
>>>>>>> spaces, like more than one reverb in a mix, well, I guess I'd done that
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> with reverb on guitars, but not as a global effect so far.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But volume changes, sometimes they aren't needed at all but remember
>>>>>>> those old days when you had 5 people at the board all with hands on
>>>>>>> faders assigned to do moves at certain places?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Being able to subtly change the volume and get a vocal track nice and
>>>>>>> even without having to depend on a compressor so much is just way cool,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> especially on a classical or jazz track where a compressor will not be
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> desired so much or very minimal at all.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So yes, automation is a foundational thing for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also with midi, doing things like fading strings, or swelling orgns,
>>>>>>> you sure don't want the daw yanking your values back to last known
>>>>>>> value after you did something.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I guess that's where I got used to the leave it where I set it till I
>>>>>>> tell you to move way of working because
>>>>>>> I started off doing mostly midi, and that's how midi controlers act.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But yes I hear what your saying,
>>>>>>> there are mixes where not much automation is needed and it just sounds
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> fine the way it is.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do stuff like automated mutes too, like when I'm using auto-tune,
>>>>>>> I'll quickly sub in the auto-tuned track when I want a phrase or work
>>>>>>> to be auto-tuned and then the un-processed track when I want it to be
>>>>>>> heard.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And you can't tell when the tracks are swapping.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's the beauty of being able to get just in the right place stop the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> transport and put in a single move.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I sure wish reaper would do that for us.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maybe some day right?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, what reaper does, it does well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have to give it the nod for cross-fading and item based editing for
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sonar atleast as of 8.5.3 was kind of behind in that area, but x2 is
>>>>>>> supposed to really have upped the game with take lanes, and improved
>>>>>>> clip editing, and blah blah blah.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But of course they broke the ui again, so we're back at square 1 or
>>>>>>> maybe 2 or 3 'grin'.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For a really dramatic change though, I'd instinctively reach for a
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> track regardless of what DAW I'm in at the time because chances are
>>>>>>>> that big change would screw with whichever plugins were processing
>>>>>>>> that track. Are your mixes really as full of automation as this
>>>>>>>> conversation makes them seem? I can't recall hearing your work off
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> top of my head, but I'd like to be able to put some sound to the
>>>>>>>> theory. Not doubting your approach, it's just so different from my
>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> that it sparks curiosity. For me, automation has always just been a
>>>>>>>> sweetener or a few finishing touches, rather than a building block or
>>>>>>>> a thing that holds the mix together. Probably ended up that way
>>>>>>>> because automation always felt a bit clunky and fragile in the DAW
>>>>>>>> where I learned the ropes, plus I'm not really a mixer at heart.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The only problem with that is that if you do a big change it sounds
>>>>>>>>> abrupt
>>>>>>>>> and you have to mess with the fade ins and outs.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You can't do little changes to get to the big change, a little at a
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> without splitting lots of items out and that get's messy.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But it's doable.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And you do have the fade in and fade out values on the items to work
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> One nice thing about splitting items and setting different volumes
>>>>>>>>> for them
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> is you can change it easily without having to draw a curve again,
>>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>> change the value if you thought that part needed to be a bit louder
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> softer or whatever.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In sonar, if you mess something up, sometimes you can delete it, but
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> it means scratching the automation and starting over again.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So splitting items can help work flow in this regard, you can
>>>>>>>>> audition a
>>>>>>>>> change and then change it and not have to worry about turning off
>>>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> and such, or previously written automation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating just
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> selected item.
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not sure if
>>>>>>>>>>> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like there is
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief and
>>>>>>>>>>> standardised.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected item.
>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be read when
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> select an item?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made at
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar anywhere else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus away
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual part.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning position
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the song by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> split
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after months away
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it stay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my volume or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> envelops,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you got a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protools and such?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it, leaves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> write,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will automate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i hear of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remebering ct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this there'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cludge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross fading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In pt, some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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