[RWP] Automation

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Mon Jun 10 11:20:18 EDT 2013 

I like track naming, which gives enough characters for a few hints; like 
I might put 1e 1m after a track's name  to indicate that I equalized and 
maximized it once; a sort of little personal code to remind me what I did.
If I use your method of splitting off the portion of an item I want to 
automate; I'd cut it and paste it onto another track, so I could include 
some automation info in the new track's name.
Or; you can save the automation as a project, and write comments under 
the notes tab in project settings

I haven't written comments there, so don't know how many characters you get.
Indi.


On 6/10/2013 6:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> Question, how are you guys keeping track of what you've automated in a
> project so far? One of the big reasons I went down the item-based
> workflow route for this stuff was the ability to rename items so that
> I can keep track of what I've done. I've put quite a bit of thought
> into standardising the grunt work of recording and mixing the type of
> material I work on most often to increase efficiency, but when clients
> are asking for mix revisions, it can quickly become a lot less linear.
> It's good to know at a glance what's going on on a given track without
> having to listen through. Items allow me to jump right to the chunk of
> audio I've processed, and if I've named them clearly enough I'll
> remember what I did to it. I noticed Chris mentioned markers, but I'm
> already using those to mark key sections of songs for quick
> navigation.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Scott
>
> On 6/10/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I just discovered something else nice.
>>
>> YOu can change the automation you lay down and it replaces the old or
>> previous automation.
>>
>> I made a marker and hiked the volume way up with the alt up arrow, then went
>>
>> and dropped it back down in the same spot.
>>
>> And it honored that.
>>
>> That's one bitch I have about sonar, cubass let's you replace automation
>> like reaper seems to but with sonar so far we have to delete pre existing
>> automation before writing new stuff or it gets in a tug of war.
>>
>> And I still can't tell where I've set things to, but careful listening and
>> looking at meters might give a clue.
>>
>> Anyway, this is more like it.
>>
>> And even on the keyboard one can always drop series of volume changes to get
>>
>> a smooth transition, not quite as fast as sonar but since you can over-ride
>>
>> your mistakes if you mess up a bit you can fix it easier so it evens out
>> maybe.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>
>>
>>> It can even be done from the qwerty keyboard.  Set a track to latch, play
>>>
>>> for a bit,  pause the project, make a change, and press play again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:20 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've not gotten that to work yet.
>>>>
>>>> But it's good to know it can be done.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 2:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can do that though.  Just pause the project, make your move and
>>>>> resume playback.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It depends on the song, but some tracks really are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if your fx are in the right place, and your just turning the volume
>>>>>>
>>>>>> up and down, it won't change how hard your pushing a compressor or
>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless your talking about mixing in to a comp on the master bus which
>>>>>> is a good idea because it'll make you make better choices when
>>>>>> automating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's like the compresssor is pushing back at you, they talked about
>>>>>> that over on home recording show, those guys work a lot and know their
>>>>>>
>>>>>> shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like my path of learning kind of took the same as theirs did,
>>>>>> but I picked up a whole lot of stuff I wasn't doing before but now I
>>>>>> do, a little more paralel mixing and processing, and more use of
>>>>>> spaces, like more than one reverb in a mix, well, I guess I'd done that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with reverb on guitars, but not as a global effect so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But volume changes, sometimes they aren't needed at all but remember
>>>>>> those old days when you had 5 people at the board all with hands on
>>>>>> faders assigned to do moves at certain places?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being able to subtly change the volume and get a vocal track nice and
>>>>>> even without having to depend on a compressor so much is just way cool,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> especially on a classical or jazz track where a compressor will not be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> desired so much or very minimal at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So yes, automation is a foundational thing for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also with midi, doing things like fading strings, or swelling orgns,
>>>>>> you sure don't want the daw yanking your values back to last known
>>>>>> value after you did something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess that's where I got used to the leave it where I set it till I
>>>>>> tell you to move way of working because
>>>>>> I started off doing mostly midi, and that's how midi controlers act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But yes I hear what your saying,
>>>>>> there are mixes where not much automation is needed and it just sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fine the way it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do stuff like automated mutes too, like when I'm using auto-tune,
>>>>>> I'll quickly sub in the auto-tuned track when I want a phrase or work
>>>>>> to be auto-tuned and then the un-processed track when I want it to be
>>>>>> heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you can't tell when the tracks are swapping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the beauty of being able to get just in the right place stop the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> transport and put in a single move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sure wish reaper would do that for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe some day right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, what reaper does, it does well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to give it the nod for cross-fading and item based editing for
>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sonar atleast as of 8.5.3 was kind of behind in that area, but x2 is
>>>>>> supposed to really have upped the game with take lanes, and improved
>>>>>> clip editing, and blah blah blah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But of course they broke the ui again, so we're back at square 1 or
>>>>>> maybe 2 or 3 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a really dramatic change though, I'd instinctively reach for a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> track regardless of what DAW I'm in at the time because chances are
>>>>>>> that big change would screw with whichever plugins were processing
>>>>>>> that track. Are your mixes really as full of automation as this
>>>>>>> conversation makes them seem? I can't recall hearing your work off
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> top of my head, but I'd like to be able to put some sound to the
>>>>>>> theory. Not doubting your approach, it's just so different from my
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> that it sparks curiosity. For me, automation has always just been a
>>>>>>> sweetener or a few finishing touches, rather than a building block or
>>>>>>> a thing that holds the mix together. Probably ended up that way
>>>>>>> because automation always felt a bit clunky and fragile in the DAW
>>>>>>> where I learned the ropes, plus I'm not really a mixer at heart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The only problem with that is that if you do a big change it sounds
>>>>>>>> abrupt
>>>>>>>> and you have to mess with the fade ins and outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can't do little changes to get to the big change, a little at a
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> without splitting lots of items out and that get's messy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it's doable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you do have the fade in and fade out values on the items to work
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One nice thing about splitting items and setting different volumes
>>>>>>>> for them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is you can change it easily without having to draw a curve again,
>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>> change the value if you thought that part needed to be a bit louder
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> softer or whatever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In sonar, if you mess something up, sometimes you can delete it, but
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it means scratching the automation and starting over again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So splitting items can help work flow in this regard, you can
>>>>>>>> audition a
>>>>>>>> change and then change it and not have to worry about turning off
>>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and such, or previously written automation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:40 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating just
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> selected item.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not sure if
>>>>>>>>>> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like there is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief and
>>>>>>>>>> standardised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected item.
>>>>>>>>>>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be read when
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> select an item?
>>>>>>>>>>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made at
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar anywhere else
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>> automation are
>>>>>>>>>>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus away
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something or
>>>>>>>>>>>> other,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual part.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>>>>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning position
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the song by
>>>>>>>>>>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want the
>>>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>> tweak
>>>>>>>>>>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want them
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> split
>>>>>>>>>>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after months away
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it stay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you left
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my volume or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> envelops,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you got a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fills
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each move
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protools and such?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it, leaves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> write,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will automate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i hear of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remebering ct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this there'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cludge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross fading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In pt, some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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