[RWP] Automation
TheOreoMonster
monkeypusher69 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 10 07:10:14 EDT 2013
Scott i think this is one where sws may e able to help you out. It allows u to have different marker list. so you can crete one for marking key sections of the song and etc and one for marking automation spots. and switch between the two marker list on the fly. U should also be able to pull up a list of all markers in that list and see where they are/what they are etc. That and the snapshot versioning should allow you to save each mix reviseon as a its own snapshot. Also, each project in reaper has a notes area in project settings, you could also take extensive notes.
On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Question, how are you guys keeping track of what you've automated in a
> project so far? One of the big reasons I went down the item-based
> workflow route for this stuff was the ability to rename items so that
> I can keep track of what I've done. I've put quite a bit of thought
> into standardising the grunt work of recording and mixing the type of
> material I work on most often to increase efficiency, but when clients
> are asking for mix revisions, it can quickly become a lot less linear.
> It's good to know at a glance what's going on on a given track without
> having to listen through. Items allow me to jump right to the chunk of
> audio I've processed, and if I've named them clearly enough I'll
> remember what I did to it. I noticed Chris mentioned markers, but I'm
> already using those to mark key sections of songs for quick
> navigation.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Scott
>
> On 6/10/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I just discovered something else nice.
>>
>> YOu can change the automation you lay down and it replaces the old or
>> previous automation.
>>
>> I made a marker and hiked the volume way up with the alt up arrow, then went
>>
>> and dropped it back down in the same spot.
>>
>> And it honored that.
>>
>> That's one bitch I have about sonar, cubass let's you replace automation
>> like reaper seems to but with sonar so far we have to delete pre existing
>> automation before writing new stuff or it gets in a tug of war.
>>
>> And I still can't tell where I've set things to, but careful listening and
>> looking at meters might give a clue.
>>
>> Anyway, this is more like it.
>>
>> And even on the keyboard one can always drop series of volume changes to get
>>
>> a smooth transition, not quite as fast as sonar but since you can over-ride
>>
>> your mistakes if you mess up a bit you can fix it easier so it evens out
>> maybe.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>
>>
>>> It can even be done from the qwerty keyboard. Set a track to latch, play
>>>
>>> for a bit, pause the project, make a change, and press play again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:20 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've not gotten that to work yet.
>>>>
>>>> But it's good to know it can be done.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 2:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can do that though. Just pause the project, make your move and
>>>>> resume playback.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It depends on the song, but some tracks really are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if your fx are in the right place, and your just turning the volume
>>>>>>
>>>>>> up and down, it won't change how hard your pushing a compressor or
>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless your talking about mixing in to a comp on the master bus which
>>>>>> is a good idea because it'll make you make better choices when
>>>>>> automating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's like the compresssor is pushing back at you, they talked about
>>>>>> that over on home recording show, those guys work a lot and know their
>>>>>>
>>>>>> shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like my path of learning kind of took the same as theirs did,
>>>>>> but I picked up a whole lot of stuff I wasn't doing before but now I
>>>>>> do, a little more paralel mixing and processing, and more use of
>>>>>> spaces, like more than one reverb in a mix, well, I guess I'd done that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with reverb on guitars, but not as a global effect so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But volume changes, sometimes they aren't needed at all but remember
>>>>>> those old days when you had 5 people at the board all with hands on
>>>>>> faders assigned to do moves at certain places?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being able to subtly change the volume and get a vocal track nice and
>>>>>> even without having to depend on a compressor so much is just way cool,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> especially on a classical or jazz track where a compressor will not be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> desired so much or very minimal at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So yes, automation is a foundational thing for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also with midi, doing things like fading strings, or swelling orgns,
>>>>>> you sure don't want the daw yanking your values back to last known
>>>>>> value after you did something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess that's where I got used to the leave it where I set it till I
>>>>>> tell you to move way of working because
>>>>>> I started off doing mostly midi, and that's how midi controlers act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But yes I hear what your saying,
>>>>>> there are mixes where not much automation is needed and it just sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fine the way it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do stuff like automated mutes too, like when I'm using auto-tune,
>>>>>> I'll quickly sub in the auto-tuned track when I want a phrase or work
>>>>>> to be auto-tuned and then the un-processed track when I want it to be
>>>>>> heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you can't tell when the tracks are swapping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the beauty of being able to get just in the right place stop the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> transport and put in a single move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sure wish reaper would do that for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe some day right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, what reaper does, it does well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to give it the nod for cross-fading and item based editing for
>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sonar atleast as of 8.5.3 was kind of behind in that area, but x2 is
>>>>>> supposed to really have upped the game with take lanes, and improved
>>>>>> clip editing, and blah blah blah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But of course they broke the ui again, so we're back at square 1 or
>>>>>> maybe 2 or 3 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a really dramatic change though, I'd instinctively reach for a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> track regardless of what DAW I'm in at the time because chances are
>>>>>>> that big change would screw with whichever plugins were processing
>>>>>>> that track. Are your mixes really as full of automation as this
>>>>>>> conversation makes them seem? I can't recall hearing your work off
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> top of my head, but I'd like to be able to put some sound to the
>>>>>>> theory. Not doubting your approach, it's just so different from my
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> that it sparks curiosity. For me, automation has always just been a
>>>>>>> sweetener or a few finishing touches, rather than a building block or
>>>>>>> a thing that holds the mix together. Probably ended up that way
>>>>>>> because automation always felt a bit clunky and fragile in the DAW
>>>>>>> where I learned the ropes, plus I'm not really a mixer at heart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The only problem with that is that if you do a big change it sounds
>>>>>>>> abrupt
>>>>>>>> and you have to mess with the fade ins and outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can't do little changes to get to the big change, a little at a
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> without splitting lots of items out and that get's messy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it's doable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you do have the fade in and fade out values on the items to work
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One nice thing about splitting items and setting different volumes
>>>>>>>> for them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is you can change it easily without having to draw a curve again,
>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>> change the value if you thought that part needed to be a bit louder
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> softer or whatever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In sonar, if you mess something up, sometimes you can delete it, but
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it means scratching the automation and starting over again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So splitting items can help work flow in this regard, you can
>>>>>>>> audition a
>>>>>>>> change and then change it and not have to worry about turning off
>>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and such, or previously written automation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:40 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating just
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> selected item.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not sure if
>>>>>>>>>> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like there is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief and
>>>>>>>>>> standardised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected item.
>>>>>>>>>>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be read when
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> select an item?
>>>>>>>>>>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made at
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar anywhere else
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>> automation are
>>>>>>>>>>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus away
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something or
>>>>>>>>>>>> other,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual part.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>>>>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning position
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the song by
>>>>>>>>>>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want the
>>>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>> tweak
>>>>>>>>>>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want them
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> split
>>>>>>>>>>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshots. I like to name items descriptively as I go when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after months away
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it stay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you left
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my volume or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> envelops,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you got a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fills
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each move
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protools and such?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it, leaves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> write,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the track from the beginning. to set that level or pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is u just have to engage the transport in order to set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part where ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that it will automate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i hear of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remebering ct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this there'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cludge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross fading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog. I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels. In pt, some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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