[RWP] Automation

Sun Jun 9 06:56:53 EDT 2013

This works if you only have a tcouple of items, but in a typical senario of 
even the average vocal track, you will have a lot of moves.

And this would become impractical in a hurry.

Even splitting items in one track seems more doable than going for a whole 
new track for each automation move.

But say for the sake of discussion that you did, when you combined the 
tracks back together, will you get a new track that honors each automation 
move or will you get all the envelopes back on the new track?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation

>I think I said it backward.
> I'd split off the item with the previous automation and paste it onto 
> another track; where it wouldn't be affected by more automation; then 
> automate the remaining portion of the original item.
> Indi
>
>
> On 6/8/2013 6:49 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> Of course, I presume that, if you had done automation already, toward
>> the end of the project, and then decided you wanted to tweak something
>> earlier on that same track, you might not want to write automation to
>> the end, or you would wipe out that  previous automation.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>
>>
>>> It will unless you tell it to write current values to the rest of the
>>> project. Press F4 to go to the action list, type "write automation,"
>>> in search,  and take a look.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll give it a shot so far the only things that worked were setting
>>>> to write, making moves, then setting to read.
>>>>
>>>> After the move the track always jups back to default values.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It can even be done from the qwerty keyboard.  Set a track to latch,
>>>>> play for a bit,  pause the project, make a change, and press play
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:20 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not gotten that to work yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it's good to know it can be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 2:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can do that though.  Just pause the project, make your move
>>>>>>> and resume playback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It depends on the song, but some tracks really are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And if your fx are in the right place, and your just turning the
>>>>>>>> volume up and down, it won't change how hard your pushing a
>>>>>>>> compressor or whatever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless your talking about mixing in to a comp on the master bus
>>>>>>>> which is a good idea because it'll make you make better choices
>>>>>>>> when automating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's like the compresssor is pushing back at you, they talked
>>>>>>>> about that over on home recording show, those guys work a lot and
>>>>>>>> know their shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel like my path of learning kind of took the same as theirs
>>>>>>>> did, but I picked up a whole lot of stuff I wasn't doing before
>>>>>>>> but now I do, a little more paralel mixing and processing, and
>>>>>>>> more use of spaces, like more than one reverb in a mix, well, I
>>>>>>>> guess I'd done that with reverb on guitars, but not as a global
>>>>>>>> effect so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But volume changes, sometimes they aren't needed at all but
>>>>>>>> remember those old days when you had 5 people at the board all
>>>>>>>> with hands on faders assigned to do moves at certain places?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being able to subtly change the volume and get a vocal track nice
>>>>>>>> and even without having to depend on a compressor so much is just
>>>>>>>> way cool, especially on a classical or jazz track where a
>>>>>>>> compressor will not be desired so much or very minimal at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So yes, automation is a foundational thing for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also with midi, doing things like fading strings, or swelling
>>>>>>>> orgns, you sure don't want the daw yanking your values back to
>>>>>>>> last known value after you did something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess that's where I got used to the leave it where I set it
>>>>>>>> till I tell you to move way of working because
>>>>>>>> I started off doing mostly midi, and that's how midi controlers 
>>>>>>>> act.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But yes I hear what your saying,
>>>>>>>> there are mixes where not much automation is needed and it just
>>>>>>>> sounds fine the way it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do stuff like automated mutes too, like when I'm using
>>>>>>>> auto-tune, I'll quickly sub in the auto-tuned track when I want a
>>>>>>>> phrase or work to be auto-tuned and then the un-processed track
>>>>>>>> when I want it to be heard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you can't tell when the tracks are swapping.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the beauty of being able to get just in the right place
>>>>>>>> stop the transport and put in a single move.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sure wish reaper would do that for us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe some day right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, what reaper does, it does well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to give it the nod for cross-fading and item based editing
>>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sonar atleast as of 8.5.3 was kind of behind in that area, but x2
>>>>>>>> is supposed to really have upped the game with take lanes, and
>>>>>>>> improved clip editing, and blah blah blah.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But of course they broke the ui again, so we're back at square 1
>>>>>>>> or maybe 2 or 3 'grin'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For a really dramatic change though, I'd instinctively reach for
>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>> track regardless of what DAW I'm in at the time because chances 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> that big change would screw with whichever plugins were processing
>>>>>>>>> that track. Are your mixes really as full of automation as this
>>>>>>>>> conversation makes them seem? I can't recall hearing your work
>>>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>>> top of my head, but I'd like to be able to put some sound to the
>>>>>>>>> theory. Not doubting your approach, it's just so different from
>>>>>>>>> my own
>>>>>>>>> that it sparks curiosity. For me, automation has always just been 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> sweetener or a few finishing touches, rather than a building
>>>>>>>>> block or
>>>>>>>>> a thing that holds the mix together. Probably ended up that way
>>>>>>>>> because automation always felt a bit clunky and fragile in the DAW
>>>>>>>>> where I learned the ropes, plus I'm not really a mixer at heart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The only problem with that is that if you do a big change it
>>>>>>>>>> sounds abrupt
>>>>>>>>>> and you have to mess with the fade ins and outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can't do little changes to get to the big change, a little
>>>>>>>>>> at a time
>>>>>>>>>> without splitting lots of items out and that get's messy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But it's doable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you do have the fade in and fade out values on the items to
>>>>>>>>>> work with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One nice thing about splitting items and setting different
>>>>>>>>>> volumes for them
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is you can change it easily without having to draw a curve
>>>>>>>>>> again, just to
>>>>>>>>>> change the value if you thought that part needed to be a bit
>>>>>>>>>> louder or
>>>>>>>>>> softer or whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In sonar, if you mess something up, sometimes you can delete
>>>>>>>>>> it, but usually
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it means scratching the automation and starting over again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So splitting items can help work flow in this regard, you can
>>>>>>>>>> audition a
>>>>>>>>>> change and then change it and not have to worry about turning
>>>>>>>>>> off automation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and such, or previously written automation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating
>>>>>>>>>>> just the
>>>>>>>>>>> selected item.
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure if
>>>>>>>>>>>> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is in
>>>>>>>>>>>> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> standardised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> item.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> read when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> select an item?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere else that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or other,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever tweak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, split
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months away I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volume or pan or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> envelops,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for item
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do fills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move wow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protools and such?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enable write,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear of doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remebering ct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cludge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading ans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or sonar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt, some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Volume?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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