[RWP] Automation

Sun Jun 9 06:31:54 EDT 2013

Again, this is comming from someone who does this as a hobby and messing 
about, not in a production environment.

This just doesn't make the grade, for me, not when you might have dozens of 
automations in a given track

A typcail vocal track will have that.

Do you really want 20 tracks just for your lead vocal track, and what if 
it's a doubled track or stem mix?

Nice try but no cigar.

I think so far the item splitting  and changing volume is probably the best,
like Gord does it, like Patric does it, and like I'm doing it  based on 
those guys who are producing things.

Please don't take offense,
but as I said on midimag, people who are experimenting around or messing 
about are going to have different expectations and see things differently 
than those who are working in a production environment.

Work flow is much more important in those situations.

So the quickest way from point a to b is mandated.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation

> In that situation, I think I'd split the item, just ahead of the place to 
> begin the second automation, and automate that split-off item separately; 
> on another track, for clarity's sake.
>
> Indi
>
> On 6/8/2013 6:49 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> Of course, I presume that, if you had done automation already, toward
>> the end of the project, and then decided you wanted to tweak something
>> earlier on that same track, you might not want to write automation to
>> the end, or you would wipe out that  previous automation.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>
>>
>>> It will unless you tell it to write current values to the rest of the
>>> project. Press F4 to go to the action list, type "write automation,"
>>> in search,  and take a look.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll give it a shot so far the only things that worked were setting
>>>> to write, making moves, then setting to read.
>>>>
>>>> After the move the track always jups back to default values.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It can even be done from the qwerty keyboard.  Set a track to latch,
>>>>> play for a bit,  pause the project, make a change, and press play
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:20 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not gotten that to work yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it's good to know it can be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 2:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can do that though.  Just pause the project, make your move
>>>>>>> and resume playback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It depends on the song, but some tracks really are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And if your fx are in the right place, and your just turning the
>>>>>>>> volume up and down, it won't change how hard your pushing a
>>>>>>>> compressor or whatever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless your talking about mixing in to a comp on the master bus
>>>>>>>> which is a good idea because it'll make you make better choices
>>>>>>>> when automating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's like the compresssor is pushing back at you, they talked
>>>>>>>> about that over on home recording show, those guys work a lot and
>>>>>>>> know their shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel like my path of learning kind of took the same as theirs
>>>>>>>> did, but I picked up a whole lot of stuff I wasn't doing before
>>>>>>>> but now I do, a little more paralel mixing and processing, and
>>>>>>>> more use of spaces, like more than one reverb in a mix, well, I
>>>>>>>> guess I'd done that with reverb on guitars, but not as a global
>>>>>>>> effect so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But volume changes, sometimes they aren't needed at all but
>>>>>>>> remember those old days when you had 5 people at the board all
>>>>>>>> with hands on faders assigned to do moves at certain places?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being able to subtly change the volume and get a vocal track nice
>>>>>>>> and even without having to depend on a compressor so much is just
>>>>>>>> way cool, especially on a classical or jazz track where a
>>>>>>>> compressor will not be desired so much or very minimal at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So yes, automation is a foundational thing for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also with midi, doing things like fading strings, or swelling
>>>>>>>> orgns, you sure don't want the daw yanking your values back to
>>>>>>>> last known value after you did something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess that's where I got used to the leave it where I set it
>>>>>>>> till I tell you to move way of working because
>>>>>>>> I started off doing mostly midi, and that's how midi controlers 
>>>>>>>> act.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But yes I hear what your saying,
>>>>>>>> there are mixes where not much automation is needed and it just
>>>>>>>> sounds fine the way it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do stuff like automated mutes too, like when I'm using
>>>>>>>> auto-tune, I'll quickly sub in the auto-tuned track when I want a
>>>>>>>> phrase or work to be auto-tuned and then the un-processed track
>>>>>>>> when I want it to be heard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you can't tell when the tracks are swapping.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the beauty of being able to get just in the right place
>>>>>>>> stop the transport and put in a single move.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sure wish reaper would do that for us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe some day right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, what reaper does, it does well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to give it the nod for cross-fading and item based editing
>>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sonar atleast as of 8.5.3 was kind of behind in that area, but x2
>>>>>>>> is supposed to really have upped the game with take lanes, and
>>>>>>>> improved clip editing, and blah blah blah.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But of course they broke the ui again, so we're back at square 1
>>>>>>>> or maybe 2 or 3 'grin'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For a really dramatic change though, I'd instinctively reach for
>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>> track regardless of what DAW I'm in at the time because chances 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> that big change would screw with whichever plugins were processing
>>>>>>>>> that track. Are your mixes really as full of automation as this
>>>>>>>>> conversation makes them seem? I can't recall hearing your work
>>>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>>> top of my head, but I'd like to be able to put some sound to the
>>>>>>>>> theory. Not doubting your approach, it's just so different from
>>>>>>>>> my own
>>>>>>>>> that it sparks curiosity. For me, automation has always just been 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> sweetener or a few finishing touches, rather than a building
>>>>>>>>> block or
>>>>>>>>> a thing that holds the mix together. Probably ended up that way
>>>>>>>>> because automation always felt a bit clunky and fragile in the DAW
>>>>>>>>> where I learned the ropes, plus I'm not really a mixer at heart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The only problem with that is that if you do a big change it
>>>>>>>>>> sounds abrupt
>>>>>>>>>> and you have to mess with the fade ins and outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can't do little changes to get to the big change, a little
>>>>>>>>>> at a time
>>>>>>>>>> without splitting lots of items out and that get's messy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But it's doable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you do have the fade in and fade out values on the items to
>>>>>>>>>> work with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One nice thing about splitting items and setting different
>>>>>>>>>> volumes for them
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is you can change it easily without having to draw a curve
>>>>>>>>>> again, just to
>>>>>>>>>> change the value if you thought that part needed to be a bit
>>>>>>>>>> louder or
>>>>>>>>>> softer or whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In sonar, if you mess something up, sometimes you can delete
>>>>>>>>>> it, but usually
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it means scratching the automation and starting over again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So splitting items can help work flow in this regard, you can
>>>>>>>>>> audition a
>>>>>>>>>> change and then change it and not have to worry about turning
>>>>>>>>>> off automation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and such, or previously written automation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating
>>>>>>>>>>> just the
>>>>>>>>>>> selected item.
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure if
>>>>>>>>>>>> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is in
>>>>>>>>>>>> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> standardised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> item.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> read when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> select an item?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere else that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or other,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever tweak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, split
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months away I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volume or pan or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> envelops,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for item
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do fills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move wow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protools and such?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enable write,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear of doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remebering ct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cludge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading ans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or sonar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt, some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Volume?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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