[RWP] Automation

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Sun Jun 9 06:23:40 EDT 2013 

I think I said it backward.
I'd split off the item with the previous automation and paste it onto 
another track; where it wouldn't be affected by more automation; then 
automate the remaining portion of the original item.
Indi


On 6/8/2013 6:49 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Of course, I presume that, if you had done automation already, toward
> the end of the project, and then decided you wanted to tweak something
> earlier on that same track, you might not want to write automation to
> the end, or you would wipe out that  previous automation.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>
>
>> It will unless you tell it to write current values to the rest of the
>> project. Press F4 to go to the action list, type "write automation,"
>> in search,  and take a look.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll give it a shot so far the only things that worked were setting
>>> to write, making moves, then setting to read.
>>>
>>> After the move the track always jups back to default values.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>
>>>
>>>> It can even be done from the qwerty keyboard.  Set a track to latch,
>>>> play for a bit,  pause the project, make a change, and press play
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:20 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've not gotten that to work yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it's good to know it can be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 2:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can do that though.  Just pause the project, make your move
>>>>>> and resume playback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It depends on the song, but some tracks really are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if your fx are in the right place, and your just turning the
>>>>>>> volume up and down, it won't change how hard your pushing a
>>>>>>> compressor or whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless your talking about mixing in to a comp on the master bus
>>>>>>> which is a good idea because it'll make you make better choices
>>>>>>> when automating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's like the compresssor is pushing back at you, they talked
>>>>>>> about that over on home recording show, those guys work a lot and
>>>>>>> know their shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel like my path of learning kind of took the same as theirs
>>>>>>> did, but I picked up a whole lot of stuff I wasn't doing before
>>>>>>> but now I do, a little more paralel mixing and processing, and
>>>>>>> more use of spaces, like more than one reverb in a mix, well, I
>>>>>>> guess I'd done that with reverb on guitars, but not as a global
>>>>>>> effect so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But volume changes, sometimes they aren't needed at all but
>>>>>>> remember those old days when you had 5 people at the board all
>>>>>>> with hands on faders assigned to do moves at certain places?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being able to subtly change the volume and get a vocal track nice
>>>>>>> and even without having to depend on a compressor so much is just
>>>>>>> way cool, especially on a classical or jazz track where a
>>>>>>> compressor will not be desired so much or very minimal at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So yes, automation is a foundational thing for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also with midi, doing things like fading strings, or swelling
>>>>>>> orgns, you sure don't want the daw yanking your values back to
>>>>>>> last known value after you did something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess that's where I got used to the leave it where I set it
>>>>>>> till I tell you to move way of working because
>>>>>>> I started off doing mostly midi, and that's how midi controlers act.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But yes I hear what your saying,
>>>>>>> there are mixes where not much automation is needed and it just
>>>>>>> sounds fine the way it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do stuff like automated mutes too, like when I'm using
>>>>>>> auto-tune, I'll quickly sub in the auto-tuned track when I want a
>>>>>>> phrase or work to be auto-tuned and then the un-processed track
>>>>>>> when I want it to be heard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you can't tell when the tracks are swapping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the beauty of being able to get just in the right place
>>>>>>> stop the transport and put in a single move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sure wish reaper would do that for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe some day right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, what reaper does, it does well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to give it the nod for cross-fading and item based editing
>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sonar atleast as of 8.5.3 was kind of behind in that area, but x2
>>>>>>> is supposed to really have upped the game with take lanes, and
>>>>>>> improved clip editing, and blah blah blah.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But of course they broke the ui again, so we're back at square 1
>>>>>>> or maybe 2 or 3 'grin'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For a really dramatic change though, I'd instinctively reach for
>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>> track regardless of what DAW I'm in at the time because chances are
>>>>>>>> that big change would screw with whichever plugins were processing
>>>>>>>> that track. Are your mixes really as full of automation as this
>>>>>>>> conversation makes them seem? I can't recall hearing your work
>>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>> top of my head, but I'd like to be able to put some sound to the
>>>>>>>> theory. Not doubting your approach, it's just so different from
>>>>>>>> my own
>>>>>>>> that it sparks curiosity. For me, automation has always just been a
>>>>>>>> sweetener or a few finishing touches, rather than a building
>>>>>>>> block or
>>>>>>>> a thing that holds the mix together. Probably ended up that way
>>>>>>>> because automation always felt a bit clunky and fragile in the DAW
>>>>>>>> where I learned the ropes, plus I'm not really a mixer at heart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The only problem with that is that if you do a big change it
>>>>>>>>> sounds abrupt
>>>>>>>>> and you have to mess with the fade ins and outs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can't do little changes to get to the big change, a little
>>>>>>>>> at a time
>>>>>>>>> without splitting lots of items out and that get's messy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it's doable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you do have the fade in and fade out values on the items to
>>>>>>>>> work with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One nice thing about splitting items and setting different
>>>>>>>>> volumes for them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is you can change it easily without having to draw a curve
>>>>>>>>> again, just to
>>>>>>>>> change the value if you thought that part needed to be a bit
>>>>>>>>> louder or
>>>>>>>>> softer or whatever.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In sonar, if you mess something up, sometimes you can delete
>>>>>>>>> it, but usually
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it means scratching the automation and starting over again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So splitting items can help work flow in this regard, you can
>>>>>>>>> audition a
>>>>>>>>> change and then change it and not have to worry about turning
>>>>>>>>> off automation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and such, or previously written automation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating
>>>>>>>>>> just the
>>>>>>>>>> selected item.
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not
>>>>>>>>>>> sure if
>>>>>>>>>>> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like
>>>>>>>>>>> there is in
>>>>>>>>>>> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief and
>>>>>>>>>>> standardised.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected
>>>>>>>>>>>> item.
>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> read when you
>>>>>>>>>>>> select an item?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made
>>>>>>>>>>>> at that
>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere else that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or other,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>> part. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning
>>>>>>>>>>>>> position will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> song by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> working, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever tweak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, split
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> months away I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volume or pan or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> envelops,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for item
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do fills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move wow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protools and such?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enable write,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> song
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear of doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remebering ct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cludge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading ans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or sonar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt, some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Volume?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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