[RWP] Automation

Fri Jun 7 13:40:04 EDT 2013

Thanks, I like your trick of splitting items, then automating just the 
selected item.
Indi

On 6/7/2013 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not sure if
> there's a separate field for comments or annotations like there is in
> some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief and
> standardised.
>
> Hth
>
> Scott
>
> On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
>> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected item.
>> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be read when you
>> select an item?
>> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made at that point.
>> Thanks,
>> Indi
>> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar anywhere else that
>>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd be useful to
>>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
>>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of automation are
>>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus away from
>>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something or other,
>>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual part. Point
>>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning position will
>>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the song by
>>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want the track
>>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to working, I
>>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make whatever tweak
>>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous state. That
>>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>>
>>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if you want
>>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want them to
>>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of it, split
>>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I think working
>>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>>> snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when I'm doing
>>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after months away I'll
>>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it stay where
>>>> you
>>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's like someone
>>>> comeing
>>>>
>>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you left them
>>>> after
>>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>>
>>>> But that's just me.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my volume or pan or
>>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>>
>>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling envelops,
>>>> something
>>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you got a
>>>> snapshot,
>>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at precise spots
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific spot.
>>>>
>>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for the way I like
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it for item based
>>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>>
>>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have to do fills
>>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>>> that's just crazy.
>>>>
>>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>>> say in a vocal track,
>>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each move wow, that
>>>> just
>>>>
>>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way it's done on
>>>> protools and such?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it, leaves it where
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>>
>>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i haven't found a
>>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u enable write,
>>>>> and
>>>>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or pan etc. The
>>>>> good
>>>>>
>>>>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to set
>>>>> automatation
>>>>>
>>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where ever in the
>>>>> song
>>>>>
>>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select that time
>>>>> frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the transport play
>>>>> to
>>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will automate a change
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other values once it
>>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that change to the
>>>>> end
>>>>>
>>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track similar to
>>>>> reaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is a lot more
>>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i hear of doing
>>>>> automation use it.
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and remebering ct did
>>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg up on reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd like to get a
>>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this there'll be much
>>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the different mind
>>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and a big cludge
>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross fading ans
>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper or sonar?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I just realized
>>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work well with
>>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In pt, some of
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the keyboard with voice
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run through it.  I
>>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with all these
>>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan and Volume?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
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