[RWP] Automation

Fri Jun 7 07:11:58 EDT 2013

To rename items, I move to them and then hit Shift+F2. Not sure if
there's a separate field for comments or annotations like there is in
some other DAWs, so I just use this and keep the names brief and
standardised.

Hth

Scott

On 6/7/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> I haven't tried automating items yet; just tracks.
> I'll need to search in actions for set volume for selected item.
> How do you rename items, or provide comments that can be read when you
> select an item?
> Those would be great reminders on what automation you made at that point.
> Thanks,
> Indi
> On 6/7/2013 4:23 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar anywhere else that
>> I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd be useful to
>> have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
>> differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of automation are
>> little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus away from
>> aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something or other,
>> or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual part. Point
>> being that the track at it's normal level and panning position will
>> serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the song by
>> design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want the track
>> to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to working, I
>> assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make whatever tweak
>> you want and another to get the track back to its previous state. That
>> feels counterintuitive here!
>>
>> You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if you want
>> to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want them to
>> stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of it, split
>> an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I think working
>> in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
>> snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when I'm doing
>> this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after months away I'll
>> have some reminders of the method behind the madness.
>>
>> Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> I would think that making an automation move and having it stay where
>>> you
>>> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's like someone
>>> comeing
>>>
>>> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you left them
>>> after
>>> you made a change everytime.
>>>
>>> But that's just me.
>>>
>>> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my volume or pan or
>>> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>>>
>>> Having to select time areas is another step or filling envelops,
>>> something
>>> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you got a
>>> snapshot,
>>> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at precise spots
>>> is
>>>
>>> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific spot.
>>>
>>> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for the way I like
>>> to
>>>
>>> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it for item based
>>> editing and cross fading and such.
>>>
>>> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
>>> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have to do fills
>>> between every move you made, yikes,
>>> that's just crazy.
>>>
>>> I have dozens of automation moves,
>>> say in a vocal track,
>>> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each move wow, that
>>> just
>>>
>>> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way it's done on
>>> protools and such?
>>>
>>> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it, leaves it where
>>> you
>>>
>>> left it till you say change it?
>>>
>>> That just makes so much sense to me.
>>>
>>> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>
>>>
>>>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i haven't found a
>>>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u enable write,
>>>> and
>>>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or pan etc. The
>>>> good
>>>>
>>>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to set
>>>> automatation
>>>>
>>>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where ever in the
>>>> song
>>>>
>>>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select that time
>>>> frame.
>>>>
>>>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the transport play
>>>> to
>>>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will automate a change
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other values once it
>>>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that change to the
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track similar to
>>>> reaper.
>>>>
>>>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is a lot more
>>>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i hear of doing
>>>> automation use it.
>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and remebering ct did
>>>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg up on reaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd like to get a
>>>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this there'll be much
>>>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the different mind
>>>>> set, but maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and a big cludge
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross fading ans
>>>>> such.
>>>>>
>>>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper or sonar?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent"
>>>>> <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I just realized
>>>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work well with
>>>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In pt, some of
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the keyboard with voice
>>>>>> over
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run through it.  I
>>>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with all these
>>>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan and Volume?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
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