[RWP] Automation

Fri Jun 7 04:23:38 EDT 2013

I haven't seen the behaviour you're seeing in Sonar anywhere else that
I can think of man, and tbh I can't quite fathom why it'd be useful to
have that occurring by default. Perhaps we approach automation
differently. In my world, the 3 most common examples of automation are
little nudges of volume to draw focus to or divert focus away from
aspects of a track, muting to reign in excessive something or other,
or more rhythmical movements to make fx into an actual part. Point
being that the track at it's normal level and panning position will
serve its purpose untouched for the vast majority of the song by
design. When I make a slight touch up, that's where I want the track
to go back to straight afterward. The way you're used to working, I
assume you'd have to have two snapshots, one to make whatever tweak
you want and another to get the track back to its previous state. That
feels counterintuitive here!

You do realise you can automate items as well, right? So if you want
to bump up the guitars by 3 DB in the last chorus and want them to
stay that way without sitting through all 4 repetitions of it, split
an item, raise item volume by 3 db and boom, job done. I think working
in terms of items is probably about as close as you'll get to
snapshots. I like to  name items descriptively as I go when I'm doing
this stuff, so that if I come back to a project after months away I'll
have some reminders of the method behind the madness.

Just some thoughts, maybe they'll help.

Scott

On 6/7/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I would think that making an automation move and having it stay where you
> left it would be way more conducive to workflow, that's like someone comeing
>
> behind your shoulder and moving your knobs back where you left them after
> you made a change everytime.
>
> But that's just me.
>
> I don't want my daw second guessing me, if I want my volume or pan or
> whatever to change again, I'd like to do it myself.
>
> Having to select time areas is another step or filling envelops, something
> sould be just as simple as applications key and s and you got a snapshot,
> and trying to get in between words and very small moves at precise spots is
>
> ard to do unless you can stop the transport in a specific spot.
>
> So as far as I'm concerned spnar has it on automation for the way I like to
>
> work, it doesn't get simpler than that, but reaper has it for item based
> editing and cross fading and such.
>
> Just think if you had a 100 tracks.
> project and you did automation on all of them, you'd have to do fills
> between every move you made, yikes,
> that's just crazy.
>
> I have dozens of automation moves,
> say in a vocal track,
> or a electrical fill track, and doing fills between each move wow, that just
>
> seems so counter work flow, but really, is that the way it's done on
> protools and such?
>
> I wonder if any other daw does it the way sonar does it, leaves it where you
>
> left it till you say change it?
>
> That just makes so much sense to me.
>
> But I've been using sonar since for ever.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>
>
>> You wouldn't like it lol. Its similar to reaper where i haven't found a
>> snapshot like there is in Sonar. The way it works is u enable write, and
>> play the track from the beginning.  to set that level or pan etc. The good
>>
>> thing is  u just have to engage the transport in order to set automatation
>>
>> for that entire track. Then you move to the part   where ever in the song
>>
>> u want to actually put in the automated change and select that time frame.
>>
>> make the changes to volume or pan or etc, then let the transport play to
>> the end of that selection. Once you do that  it will automate a change for
>>
>> just that area thats selected and jump back to the other values once it
>> plays past that selected area. So if u want to keep that change to the end
>>
>> you need to use the fill automation to the end of track similar to reaper.
>>
>> In all honesty though this work flow in reaper and PT is a lot more
>> conducive to my workflow and the way most engineers i hear of doing
>> automation use it.
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:39 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> gTell me about it, try teaching 3 screen-readers and remebering ct did
>>> this but jsonar does that, and your in to protools a bit.
>>>
>>> I ain't got there yet, but am making quite a bit of leg up on reaper.
>>>
>>> I'm not offering to teach reaper yet unless asked, I'd like to get a
>>> little more second nature with it, also I don't this there'll be much
>>> business over here even at my low rates because of the different mind
>>> set, but maybe.
>>>
>>> Considering sonar and reaper are both
>>> several versions back for us, it's all a compromise and a big cludge
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> But I do like the way reaper edits audio and does cross fading ans such.
>>>
>>> How nice is automation for us in pt compared to reaper or sonar?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic at cybernex.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>
>>>
>>>> they do when you are in the track properties dialog.  I just realized
>>>> that I was confusing it with pro tools, which does work well with
>>>> changing effects parameters with the wiz wheels.  In pt, some of those
>>>> really change in tiny increments when using the keyboard with voice over
>>>>
>>>> on the mac while using the whiz wheel lets you run through it.  I
>>>> haven't used reaper in a while, and I get confused with all these
>>>> different daw software packages around these days.
>>>> Gord
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Westphal
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gord!
>>>>
>>>> Wow! How do you assign them to move the knobs for Pan and Volume?
>>>> --
>>>> Ciao!
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
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