[RWP] Newby

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Thu Jun 6 03:18:37 EDT 2013 

I am telling you guys, the best way to run a daw is get the speech with any 
other sapi based or sound card device gone if you can, not possible all the 
time especially with reaper which doesn't have really good hardware speech 
support, one reason why I still use window-eyes, but running with only your 
daw device is the way sighted engineers do it and the way a commercial daw 
is configured to avoid just such problems.

There are certain sound cards known to cause problems too, avoid realtech 
like the plague, I use my delta card for external audio if I need it which 
they're pretty forgiving otherwise Iuse a generic class compliant usb 
device.
when I have to use sapi.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby


> Scot are you using the mixer in the same room where the owner uses it on 
> their laptop with no isses? are you and the mixer  plugged into teh same 
> power source when using it in that room as the owner? What computer dows 
> the owner have vs which computer do you have? What sample rate does the 
> owner usually run it at? I have used numerous fw interfaces on both an old 
> circa 2007 MBP (the  last one that had two fw ports 1 of each) and a 2011 
> iMac with no issues. I did  have an issue on sonar like that at one point 
> in time, but i think in that case it was a sample rae issue. I once had 
> another odd issue with  sonar. When i recorded anything with high gain it 
> came out super distorted in sonar.  but  there was no clipping on the 
> meters. The issue went away when i stopped using sonar with zoomtext and 
> started using it with Jaws, so maybe the  Assistive tech is at fault again 
> here lol.
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>
>> Swap out the firewire, on a Macbook? I've always just assumed that
>> that kinda thing would be integrated onto the motherboard rather than
>> a card you could remove. Would be happy to learn that I'm wrong about
>> that though, sounds like fun.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Could always put in another firewire card with the right connectors and 
>>> see
>>>
>>> if that helps.
>>>
>>> Macs have chainged their hardware in the last couple years, not as good 
>>> on
>>> the windows native side anymore for daw work.
>>>
>>> For instance,  cakewalk doesn't support boot-camped anymore, ie they 
>>> don't
>>> recommend it.
>>> officially.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure when the change took place,
>>> but macs done something with their newer hardware which isn't so good 
>>> for
>>> us.
>>>
>>> Probably ok on the mac side, good enough anyway,
>>> but I think they are starting to cut corners.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yup, been driving me up the wall, but whenever I've been in the room
>>>> it's been go go go, so haven't had chance to do much practical
>>>> diagnosis of it.
>>>>
>>>> It's running on a Macbook Pro, so yeah it's off the shelf, but not as
>>>> awful off the shelf as can be found. Happens in Reaper running via
>>>> Boot Camp, also happens in Pro Tools over on the Mac side of life. I
>>>> don't have Sonar installed to test it, never really managed to feel
>>>> comfortable enough to justify keeping that DAW around, but I'm pretty
>>>> sure it's not DAW specific.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder whether the conversion from firewire 400 on the interface to
>>>> 800 at the Mac end of the deal is causing it? Going purely on the
>>>> sound of it, I could easily believe it was a power related thing.
>>>> Kinda worrying if so, a blow out mid session would be bad. Is there a
>>>> better protected/safer way to do that conversion other than just using
>>>> FW 400 to 800 cables?
>>>>
>>>> Latency is a good point, I had it set to 64 and didn't try changing.
>>>> When I'm back in there next week tracking guitars that's gotta be
>>>> worth a shot.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Oh boy, that's a pisser, it doesn't happen on my machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you running at super low latency?
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually run at 128, tighter than the default but loose enough to 
>>>>> give
>>>>> me
>>>>> some headroom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes the motherboard is the issue, these things are so picky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was your machine built by a daw builder, or did you put it together
>>>>> yourself
>>>>>
>>>>> or get an off the shelf model?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do know the mackie is very sensitive to other devices like sometimes
>>>>> jaws
>>>>>
>>>>> would change the sampling rate of the interface and so I'd switch to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> triple talk I highly recommended using a dedicated speech synth with 
>>>>> one
>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> these high end devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the only factor I can think of try running without jaws in the
>>>>> mix
>>>>> and see if it still does it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeh those boards are awesome, but I guess nothing perfect especially 
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>> us
>>>>>
>>>>> who always have to get around things sideways 'grin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now does the daw make a difference, does it do it with both reaper and
>>>>> sonar?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:12 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quick question about your Onyx interface, have you ever heard it
>>>>>> record a short sharp burst of static when you press stop or punch 
>>>>>> out?
>>>>>> It's like a electronic spitting sound. Been doing a session in a
>>>>>> little studio that's running one of these boards this week and really
>>>>>> enjoying using it other than this glitch in the matrix. It's weird,
>>>>>> the issue isn't something I can hear happening at the time when I
>>>>>> actually hit stop, and it doesn't always happen either. The first 
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> I'll hear it is when I'm playing tracks back, but I've been for a 
>>>>>> poke
>>>>>> about in the audio folders for these projects and it's definitely 
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> it on to a lot of the files. I can edit as I go of course, but would
>>>>>> rather get to the bottom of why it happens and stop it. Tried 
>>>>>> swapping
>>>>>> out the firewire lead a couple of times with no difference. Not sure
>>>>>> what else could be causing it. It doesn't happen with any other
>>>>>> interface I've had plugged in via fw here, so probably not the actual
>>>>>> port. Then again, it doesn't happen at all when it's plugged in to 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> machine of the guy who owns it, and our fw chipsets appear to be the
>>>>>> same from a quick google.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well,th delta cards work under 7 but not as well as they did under 
>>>>>>> xp
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can't push the latency as low.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mileage differs with different motherboards, but this is a widely
>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>> fact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also the drivers aren't as accessible, takes more mousing around, I
>>>>>>> worked
>>>>>>> with these cards a lot when w7 first came out, I have 2 delta 10 10
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> rack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mounted ones, and 2 44s, these were my favorite cards for 12 years 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> me from w98 all the way through xp which I still use a lot, and then 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> bought my mackie onyx 1640i.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm glad your 2496 is working ok for you, it's something to do with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> clock, and that chipset, apparently the 24-192 which has a different
>>>>>>> chipset
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doesn't have the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too bad though hbecause being a pci based card it actually can go
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> latency than my newer mackie at a given setting, and though I love 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> onyx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> firewire board, in raw performance the older hardware actually does
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> under certain conditions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is under xp though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But by it's nature a card based interface like the deltas get's 
>>>>>>> higher
>>>>>>> priority on the pc than any external bus like usb or firewire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So for pro sound cards usb is at bottom in desireability, then
>>>>>>> firewire
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pci and then pci express as best but we don't have so many pci 
>>>>>>> express
>>>>>>> cards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which is a shame being the fastest lane in a modern pc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Kevin Brown" <cursebuster at samobile.net>
>>>>>>> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:34 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmmm,...I don't seem to have any problems with it,...I'm running
>>>>>>>> w7,...I'll have to go into my computer, and see what drivers i'm
>>>>>>>> using...
>>>>>>>> I seem to remember downloading the w7 drivers for the 2496 
>>>>>>>> though...
>>>>>>>>
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