[RWP] Newby

Wed Jun 5 18:05:43 EDT 2013

Sorry, I was thinking tower, you don't have a slot in that thing I guess.

Not a mini pci express slot?

Well, I'm out of ideas.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby

> Swap out the firewire, on a Macbook? I've always just assumed that
> that kinda thing would be integrated onto the motherboard rather than
> a card you could remove. Would be happy to learn that I'm wrong about
> that though, sounds like fun.
>
> Scott
>
> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Could always put in another firewire card with the right connectors and 
>> see
>>
>> if that helps.
>>
>> Macs have chainged their hardware in the last couple years, not as good 
>> on
>> the windows native side anymore for daw work.
>>
>> For instance,  cakewalk doesn't support boot-camped anymore, ie they 
>> don't
>> recommend it.
>> officially.
>>
>> I'm not sure when the change took place,
>> but macs done something with their newer hardware which isn't so good for
>> us.
>>
>> Probably ok on the mac side, good enough anyway,
>> but I think they are starting to cut corners.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>
>>
>>> Yup, been driving me up the wall, but whenever I've been in the room
>>> it's been go go go, so haven't had chance to do much practical
>>> diagnosis of it.
>>>
>>> It's running on a Macbook Pro, so yeah it's off the shelf, but not as
>>> awful off the shelf as can be found. Happens in Reaper running via
>>> Boot Camp, also happens in Pro Tools over on the Mac side of life. I
>>> don't have Sonar installed to test it, never really managed to feel
>>> comfortable enough to justify keeping that DAW around, but I'm pretty
>>> sure it's not DAW specific.
>>>
>>> I wonder whether the conversion from firewire 400 on the interface to
>>> 800 at the Mac end of the deal is causing it? Going purely on the
>>> sound of it, I could easily believe it was a power related thing.
>>> Kinda worrying if so, a blow out mid session would be bad. Is there a
>>> better protected/safer way to do that conversion other than just using
>>> FW 400 to 800 cables?
>>>
>>> Latency is a good point, I had it set to 64 and didn't try changing.
>>> When I'm back in there next week tracking guitars that's gotta be
>>> worth a shot.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Oh boy, that's a pisser, it doesn't happen on my machine.
>>>>
>>>> Are you running at super low latency?
>>>>
>>>> I usually run at 128, tighter than the default but loose enough to give
>>>> me
>>>> some headroom.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes the motherboard is the issue, these things are so picky.
>>>>
>>>> Was your machine built by a daw builder, or did you put it together
>>>> yourself
>>>>
>>>> or get an off the shelf model?
>>>>
>>>> I do know the mackie is very sensitive to other devices like sometimes
>>>> jaws
>>>>
>>>> would change the sampling rate of the interface and so I'd switch to 
>>>> the
>>>> triple talk I highly recommended using a dedicated speech synth with 
>>>> one
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>> these high end devices.
>>>>
>>>> That's the only factor I can think of try running without jaws in the
>>>> mix
>>>> and see if it still does it.
>>>>
>>>> Yeh those boards are awesome, but I guess nothing perfect especially 
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>> us
>>>>
>>>> who always have to get around things sideways 'grin'.
>>>>
>>>> Now does the daw make a difference, does it do it with both reaper and
>>>> sonar?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:12 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Quick question about your Onyx interface, have you ever heard it
>>>>> record a short sharp burst of static when you press stop or punch out?
>>>>> It's like a electronic spitting sound. Been doing a session in a
>>>>> little studio that's running one of these boards this week and really
>>>>> enjoying using it other than this glitch in the matrix. It's weird,
>>>>> the issue isn't something I can hear happening at the time when I
>>>>> actually hit stop, and it doesn't always happen either. The first time
>>>>> I'll hear it is when I'm playing tracks back, but I've been for a poke
>>>>> about in the audio folders for these projects and it's definitely made
>>>>> it on to a lot of the files. I can edit as I go of course, but would
>>>>> rather get to the bottom of why it happens and stop it. Tried swapping
>>>>> out the firewire lead a couple of times with no difference. Not sure
>>>>> what else could be causing it. It doesn't happen with any other
>>>>> interface I've had plugged in via fw here, so probably not the actual
>>>>> port. Then again, it doesn't happen at all when it's plugged in to the
>>>>> machine of the guy who owns it, and our fw chipsets appear to be the
>>>>> same from a quick google.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Well,th delta cards work under 7 but not as well as they did under xp
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can't push the latency as low.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mileage differs with different motherboards, but this is a widely
>>>>>> known
>>>>>> fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also the drivers aren't as accessible, takes more mousing around, I
>>>>>> worked
>>>>>> with these cards a lot when w7 first came out, I have 2 delta 10 10
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> rack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mounted ones, and 2 44s, these were my favorite cards for 12 years 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> took
>>>>>>
>>>>>> me from w98 all the way through xp which I still use a lot, and then 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> bought my mackie onyx 1640i.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm glad your 2496 is working ok for you, it's something to do with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> clock, and that chipset, apparently the 24-192 which has a different
>>>>>> chipset
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doesn't have the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad though hbecause being a pci based card it actually can go
>>>>>> lower
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> latency than my newer mackie at a given setting, and though I love 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> onyx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> firewire board, in raw performance the older hardware actually does
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> under certain conditions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is under xp though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But by it's nature a card based interface like the deltas get's 
>>>>>> higher
>>>>>> priority on the pc than any external bus like usb or firewire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So for pro sound cards usb is at bottom in desireability, then
>>>>>> firewire
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pci and then pci express as best but we don't have so many pci 
>>>>>> express
>>>>>> cards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is a shame being the fastest lane in a modern pc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Kevin Brown" <cursebuster at samobile.net>
>>>>>> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:34 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmmm,...I don't seem to have any problems with it,...I'm running
>>>>>>> w7,...I'll have to go into my computer, and see what drivers i'm
>>>>>>> using...
>>>>>>> I seem to remember downloading the w7 drivers for the 2496 though...
>>>>>>>
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