[RWP] Newby

Wed Jun 5 17:06:32 EDT 2013

Swap out the firewire, on a Macbook? I've always just assumed that
that kinda thing would be integrated onto the motherboard rather than
a card you could remove. Would be happy to learn that I'm wrong about
that though, sounds like fun.

Scott

On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Could always put in another firewire card with the right connectors and see
>
> if that helps.
>
> Macs have chainged their hardware in the last couple years, not as good on
> the windows native side anymore for daw work.
>
> For instance,  cakewalk doesn't support boot-camped anymore, ie they don't
> recommend it.
> officially.
>
> I'm not sure when the change took place,
> but macs done something with their newer hardware which isn't so good for
> us.
>
> Probably ok on the mac side, good enough anyway,
> but I think they are starting to cut corners.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>
>
>> Yup, been driving me up the wall, but whenever I've been in the room
>> it's been go go go, so haven't had chance to do much practical
>> diagnosis of it.
>>
>> It's running on a Macbook Pro, so yeah it's off the shelf, but not as
>> awful off the shelf as can be found. Happens in Reaper running via
>> Boot Camp, also happens in Pro Tools over on the Mac side of life. I
>> don't have Sonar installed to test it, never really managed to feel
>> comfortable enough to justify keeping that DAW around, but I'm pretty
>> sure it's not DAW specific.
>>
>> I wonder whether the conversion from firewire 400 on the interface to
>> 800 at the Mac end of the deal is causing it? Going purely on the
>> sound of it, I could easily believe it was a power related thing.
>> Kinda worrying if so, a blow out mid session would be bad. Is there a
>> better protected/safer way to do that conversion other than just using
>> FW 400 to 800 cables?
>>
>> Latency is a good point, I had it set to 64 and didn't try changing.
>> When I'm back in there next week tracking guitars that's gotta be
>> worth a shot.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Oh boy, that's a pisser, it doesn't happen on my machine.
>>>
>>> Are you running at super low latency?
>>>
>>> I usually run at 128, tighter than the default but loose enough to give
>>> me
>>> some headroom.
>>>
>>> Sometimes the motherboard is the issue, these things are so picky.
>>>
>>> Was your machine built by a daw builder, or did you put it together
>>> yourself
>>>
>>> or get an off the shelf model?
>>>
>>> I do know the mackie is very sensitive to other devices like sometimes
>>> jaws
>>>
>>> would change the sampling rate of the interface and so I'd switch to the
>>> triple talk I highly recommended using a dedicated speech synth with one
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>> these high end devices.
>>>
>>> That's the only factor I can think of try running without jaws in the
>>> mix
>>> and see if it still does it.
>>>
>>> Yeh those boards are awesome, but I guess nothing perfect especially for
>>>
>>> us
>>>
>>> who always have to get around things sideways 'grin'.
>>>
>>> Now does the daw make a difference, does it do it with both reaper and
>>> sonar?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Quick question about your Onyx interface, have you ever heard it
>>>> record a short sharp burst of static when you press stop or punch out?
>>>> It's like a electronic spitting sound. Been doing a session in a
>>>> little studio that's running one of these boards this week and really
>>>> enjoying using it other than this glitch in the matrix. It's weird,
>>>> the issue isn't something I can hear happening at the time when I
>>>> actually hit stop, and it doesn't always happen either. The first time
>>>> I'll hear it is when I'm playing tracks back, but I've been for a poke
>>>> about in the audio folders for these projects and it's definitely made
>>>> it on to a lot of the files. I can edit as I go of course, but would
>>>> rather get to the bottom of why it happens and stop it. Tried swapping
>>>> out the firewire lead a couple of times with no difference. Not sure
>>>> what else could be causing it. It doesn't happen with any other
>>>> interface I've had plugged in via fw here, so probably not the actual
>>>> port. Then again, it doesn't happen at all when it's plugged in to the
>>>> machine of the guy who owns it, and our fw chipsets appear to be the
>>>> same from a quick google.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Well,th delta cards work under 7 but not as well as they did under xp
>>>>> you
>>>>> can't push the latency as low.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mileage differs with different motherboards, but this is a widely
>>>>> known
>>>>> fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also the drivers aren't as accessible, takes more mousing around, I
>>>>> worked
>>>>> with these cards a lot when w7 first came out, I have 2 delta 10 10
>>>>> the
>>>>> rack
>>>>>
>>>>> mounted ones, and 2 44s, these were my favorite cards for 12 years and
>>>>> took
>>>>>
>>>>> me from w98 all the way through xp which I still use a lot, and then I
>>>>> bought my mackie onyx 1640i.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad your 2496 is working ok for you, it's something to do with
>>>>> the
>>>>> clock, and that chipset, apparently the 24-192 which has a different
>>>>> chipset
>>>>>
>>>>> doesn't have the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad though hbecause being a pci based card it actually can go
>>>>> lower
>>>>> in
>>>>> latency than my newer mackie at a given setting, and though I love the
>>>>> onyx
>>>>>
>>>>> firewire board, in raw performance the older hardware actually does
>>>>> better
>>>>> under certain conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is under xp though.
>>>>>
>>>>> But by it's nature a card based interface like the deltas get's higher
>>>>> priority on the pc than any external bus like usb or firewire.
>>>>>
>>>>> So for pro sound cards usb is at bottom in desireability, then
>>>>> firewire
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> pci and then pci express as best but we don't have so many pci express
>>>>> cards
>>>>>
>>>>> which is a shame being the fastest lane in a modern pc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Kevin Brown" <cursebuster at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Newby
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmm,...I don't seem to have any problems with it,...I'm running
>>>>>> w7,...I'll have to go into my computer, and see what drivers i'm
>>>>>> using...
>>>>>> I seem to remember downloading the w7 drivers for the 2496 though...
>>>>>>
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