[RWP] AHK

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Jun 4 08:08:24 EDT 2013 

As I've always said, rewards go to those who learn the tools.

So that's why I learned all three.

But one will always be slanted to what they started with or what they spent 
the most time with.

I feel like I'm pretty confident with all three now, though some of jaws 
deeper aspects I havge to go remind myself of, but at least it has good help 
and documentation so if I forget how to spot a prompt or something in the 
config manager, it's easy to find out.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK


> Yep, I'm aware of jaws power.
> You know, like someone online said, I didn't really get into this to 
> become a rocket scientist; I just wanted to make some music.
> Me too, but it looks like learning a microscopic  bit about computers and 
> programming is unavoidable, though I'm not cut out for it, and forget 
> acronyms overnight.
> I like NVDA because it boots in 2 seconds flat on this four core AMD, and 
> a new version installs in about 30 seconds over the previous version.
> I can read almost anything at the numPad, now that I've got used to the 
> peculiar way it works, or sometimes doesn't.
> I regret the flakeing out of Window-Eyes at running Reaper x64, it just 
> can't cope with both Reaper and ReaAccess simultaneously; but in a way 
> it's okay, because it made me use NVDA to look at Reaper on this; my 
> online and email computer.
> This morning I spent automating with the joystick.
> I got panning down, but volume is still a puzzle how to do smoothly and 
> quickly.
> I've looked at Reaper on my XP daw with Wineyes, jaws and NVDA, just to 
> learn what each screenreader sees and doesn't see, but I prefer relaxing 
> in old Wineyes 6.1, because it was written for XP, and mainly because I 
> know it.
> I've never run a script on my jaws 12, but I've listened to podcasts with 
> folks running your wonderful scripts and CakeTalking.
> It's an admirable thing, for sure.
> Window-Eyes 7.5 scripts are mostly useless to me, and their sonar script 
> was an insult, last time I looked at it.
> All that doesn't matter now, water under the bridge, I'm getting a tiny 
> handle onto reaper, and I only need 1 means of recording music.
> You know, I don't give a hoot about using much automation anyway.
> I don't even like panning that waggles around the field, and I don't mind 
> adding fadeIns and fadeOuts in Sound Forge, where I really feel at home.
> Indi
>
>
>
> On 6/3/2013 10:21 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> Well, I hate to go back to that topic,
>> all I can say is that jaws is packed with power, far more than 95
>> percent of people realize.  Yet, it's all in there for those who know
>> how to use it.  I run an older version to avoid creeping quality
>> issues.  But, it's phenomenal power, a pretty darned good off screen
>> model, plus object navigation, and a scripting capability that, while it
>> is arcane, and not a full fledged programming language, is very nicely
>> integrated and still quite capable.
>> I do have NVDA, and appreciate it's smaller footPrint, and more gentle
>> drain on system resources.  But, so far, I have not found anything it
>> can do that I can't do with jaws, given that I made the object
>> navigation available to myself.  If you run HotSpotClicker, the real
>> one, you have it too.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>
>>
>>> One needs to use all three screen-readers to have it all these days.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're right, too bad I'm not a jaws user, all due to misguided
>>>> advice to get Vocalize to run dos, way way back in the last century.
>>>> I have Jaws12, and resolve to learn to run it, well, but probably
>>>> won't happen, though.
>>>>  I just found the search function in NVDA, the last thing it didn't
>>>> have that made it slightly inferior to Wineyes, and the 2013 NVDA now
>>>> parks itself back aligned with the link to a webPage when you exit
>>>> the webPage; yet another improvement to discourage ever running
>>>> anything but slick little NVDA.
>>>> The only occasion I ever bring up Wineyes now is to use it's numPad
>>>> functions on a very oddly written logOn box.
>>>> For finding screen coordinates, I may download the 40 minute demo of
>>>> jaws again, if the OCR can provide coordinates of all the unknown
>>>> graphics; to spot up with your knockOffHotSpotter.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2013 9:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> Well, if you know of  anyone who knows how to make AHK find graphics
>>>>> when it doesn't already know about them, I would sure like to know
>>>>> about
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I am definitely not an AHK expert, but I haven't seen anything so far
>>>>> that makes me think it can do that.  I know there is some feature that
>>>>> lets you search for an image, but you have to have a copy of that 
>>>>> image
>>>>> ahead of time so it can search for it.  I don't understand how to get
>>>>> that copy yet. fBut, that process requires somebody to already know
>>>>> what
>>>>> area of the screen to get it from.
>>>>> So yeah, if you can connect me with information about how to get AHK 
>>>>> to
>>>>> just create a list of graphics, I would be interested.
>>>>> Too bad you're not a JAWS user.  <grin>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, Jim; you show humility about yur programming skills ; but 
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> sure making fast progress with AHK.
>>>>>> Of course we're all hoping that claim that AHK can automatically
>>>>>> locate, number and list the bit map graphics,  and  return to them
>>>>>> when you punch up their number is true.
>>>>>> I think jaws does that, but we're not all jaws users, and maybe AHK
>>>>>> can seek out those graphics even after the screens have shifted or
>>>>>> changed colors, as I've heard from ross it can
>>>>>> If we get a script that locates graphics; we can try some of them to
>>>>>> determine their action, even without sighted help, then label them
>>>>>> according to their purpose.
>>>>>> What I'd hope for is a kind of universal kiddie script template for 
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> real non programmers; that finds the graphics, tags them with 
>>>>>> numbers,
>>>>>> lets me return to them; plus a selection of actions; like to type in
>>>>>> names; click automatically when I select them; or let me click
>>>>>> manually.
>>>>>> An auto spotting script, with user choices and nameing fields would 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> such a blessing.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:14 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> It is V3.  The file also contains a version number at the top.
>>>>>>> No, you can rename the .ahk file to be whatever you want.
>>>>>>> The data file it generates will be located in folder c:\ahk.
>>>>>>> It creates a file with a .INI extension, named after the main
>>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>> I might be wishing that it was named after the title of the window
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> are working in.
>>>>>>> But, your data will probably turn up in c:\ahk\reaper.ini.
>>>>>>> Its convenient to put the .ahk file there too, but it doesn't
>>>>>>> matter, it
>>>>>>> can be anywhere you want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:59 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been  adding a v1 v2 v3 to each of their titles, or I would
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> got confused.
>>>>>>>> I hope that doesn't harm their running, Jim.
>>>>>>>> I called this one HotSpotKnockOff_v3.
>>>>>>>> Which post  was it meant to replace as the correct one?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2013 9:46 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I think I may have distributed the wrong file.  Here is a
>>>>>>>>> corrected
>>>>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3677477/HotSpotKnockoff.ahk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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