[RWP] AHK

Tue Jun 4 05:30:36 EDT 2013

I agree Jim.

Jaws has always been first with certain features, and it's like the beta and 
vhs wars, it doesn't matter which technology is best it's the one that get's 
used and developed.

Big deal, window-eyes can use any programming language but where are the 
scripts?

I'm in the same boat using an older version of we for creeking quality 
issues, but that means we kind of stay with older operating systems too.

Xp is still my favorite.

I learned jaws to help my students, because as a window-eyes user at the 
time I was in a definite minority.

It's down to the tools you know and how well you can use them, for me, using 
nvda's object nav it allows me to insert effects in sonar in the right 
order, in a chain, and I haven't figured out how to make window-eyes or jaws 
do that as well for me,
even in unrestricted mode the jaws cursor just doesn't go in the right 
place,
but if your using something else you developed,
like the jaws version of object nav, well, that's the reason why.

I'm not religious about screen-readers, I use everything, I have your tools 
both free and bought,
I have nvda and window-eys, I like to track with nvda because it's so light 
but to easuily get to plug-ins and the native ui I use either your hsc or 
caketalking.

Cake talking just creeks compared to jsonar, but they've
implemented some nice useability features, like I do like the way ct handles 
the linear phase eq in sonar.

But I'm going to get in trouble talking about sonar on a reaper list, so I 
better quit.

It's nice to talk to someone like you who really knows what's going on with 
this stuff,
and publically and privately I bow to your knowlege on any programming 
issues.

I've only done a bit of work with ahk, but per our talks about it I'm 
delighted your using it to the max and making it be as good as it can be.

I agree, ahk probably won't work as well as jaws, or even window-eyes hot 
spot when it grows up someomre, because being tied tightly with a 
screen-reader and all the functions just gives you so muchy more scope.

But there are stil things ahk can do the macro jaws language can't do or 
window-eyes scripting host can't do, so making them work together will give 
the best, but then your in to mixing and matching tools and everybody 
doesan't have the same tools, and we all know what that's all about.

Most folks here are using nvda, so it's about the free stuff around here.

Take care buddy ro.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK

> Well, I hate to go back to that topic,
> all I can say is that jaws is packed with power, far more than 95 percent 
> of people realize.  Yet, it's all in there for those who know how to use 
> it.  I run an older version to avoid creeping quality issues.  But, it's 
> phenomenal power, a pretty darned good off screen model, plus object 
> navigation, and a scripting capability that, while it is arcane, and not a 
> full fledged programming language, is very nicely integrated and still 
> quite capable.
> I do have NVDA, and appreciate it's smaller footPrint, and more gentle 
> drain on system resources.  But, so far, I have not found anything it can 
> do that I can't do with jaws, given that I made the object navigation 
> available to myself.  If you run HotSpotClicker, the real one, you have it 
> too.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>
>
>> One needs to use all three screen-readers to have it all these days.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>
>>
>>> You're right, too bad I'm not a jaws user, all due to misguided advice 
>>> to get Vocalize to run dos, way way back in the last century.
>>> I have Jaws12, and resolve to learn to run it, well, but probably won't 
>>> happen, though.
>>>  I just found the search function in NVDA, the last thing it didn't have 
>>> that made it slightly inferior to Wineyes, and the 2013 NVDA now parks 
>>> itself back aligned with the link to a webPage when you exit the 
>>> webPage; yet another improvement to discourage ever running anything but 
>>> slick little NVDA.
>>> The only occasion I ever bring up Wineyes now is to use it's numPad 
>>> functions on a very oddly written logOn box.
>>> For finding screen coordinates, I may download the 40 minute demo of 
>>> jaws again, if the OCR can provide coordinates of all the unknown 
>>> graphics; to spot up with your knockOffHotSpotter.
>>> thanks,
>>> Indi
>>>
>>> On 6/2/2013 9:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> Well, if you know of  anyone who knows how to make AHK find graphics
>>>> when it doesn't already know about them, I would sure like to know 
>>>> about
>>>> it.
>>>> I am definitely not an AHK expert, but I haven't seen anything so far
>>>> that makes me think it can do that.  I know there is some feature that
>>>> lets you search for an image, but you have to have a copy of that image
>>>> ahead of time so it can search for it.  I don't understand how to get
>>>> that copy yet. fBut, that process requires somebody to already know 
>>>> what
>>>> area of the screen to get it from.
>>>> So yeah, if you can connect me with information about how to get AHK to
>>>> just create a list of graphics, I would be interested.
>>>> Too bad you're not a JAWS user.  <grin>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, Jim; you show humility about yur programming skills ; but you're
>>>>> sure making fast progress with AHK.
>>>>> Of course we're all hoping that claim that AHK can automatically
>>>>> locate, number and list the bit map graphics,  and  return to them
>>>>> when you punch up their number is true.
>>>>> I think jaws does that, but we're not all jaws users, and maybe AHK
>>>>> can seek out those graphics even after the screens have shifted or
>>>>> changed colors, as I've heard from ross it can
>>>>> If we get a script that locates graphics; we can try some of them to
>>>>> determine their action, even without sighted help, then label them
>>>>> according to their purpose.
>>>>> What I'd hope for is a kind of universal kiddie script template for us
>>>>> real non programmers; that finds the graphics, tags them with numbers,
>>>>> lets me return to them; plus a selection of actions; like to type in
>>>>> names; click automatically when I select them; or let me click 
>>>>> manually.
>>>>> An auto spotting script, with user choices and nameing fields would be
>>>>> such a blessing.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:14 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> It is V3.  The file also contains a version number at the top.
>>>>>> No, you can rename the .ahk file to be whatever you want.
>>>>>> The data file it generates will be located in folder c:\ahk.
>>>>>> It creates a file with a .INI extension, named after the main
>>>>>> application.
>>>>>> I might be wishing that it was named after the title of the window 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are working in.
>>>>>> But, your data will probably turn up in c:\ahk\reaper.ini.
>>>>>> Its convenient to put the .ahk file there too, but it doesn't matter, 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> can be anywhere you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been  adding a v1 v2 v3 to each of their titles, or I would 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> got confused.
>>>>>>> I hope that doesn't harm their running, Jim.
>>>>>>> I called this one HotSpotKnockOff_v3.
>>>>>>> Which post  was it meant to replace as the correct one?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2013 9:46 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I think I may have distributed the wrong file.  Here is a
>>>>>>>> corrected
>>>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3677477/HotSpotKnockoff.ahk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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