[RWP] AHK

Tue Jun 4 00:47:27 EDT 2013

Yep, I'm aware of jaws power.
You know, like someone online said, I didn't really get into this to 
become a rocket scientist; I just wanted to make some music.
Me too, but it looks like learning a microscopic  bit about computers 
and programming is unavoidable, though I'm not cut out for it, and 
forget acronyms overnight.
I like NVDA because it boots in 2 seconds flat on this four core AMD, 
and a new version installs in about 30 seconds over the previous version.
I can read almost anything at the numPad, now that I've got used to the 
peculiar way it works, or sometimes doesn't.
I regret the flakeing out of Window-Eyes at running Reaper x64, it just 
can't cope with both Reaper and ReaAccess simultaneously; but in a way 
it's okay, because it made me use NVDA to look at Reaper on this; my 
online and email computer.
This morning I spent automating with the joystick.
I got panning down, but volume is still a puzzle how to do smoothly and 
quickly.
I've looked at Reaper on my XP daw with Wineyes, jaws and NVDA, just to 
learn what each screenreader sees and doesn't see, but I prefer relaxing 
in old Wineyes 6.1, because it was written for XP, and mainly because I 
know it.
I've never run a script on my jaws 12, but I've listened to podcasts 
with folks running your wonderful scripts and CakeTalking.
It's an admirable thing, for sure.
Window-Eyes 7.5 scripts are mostly useless to me, and their sonar script 
was an insult, last time I looked at it.
All that doesn't matter now, water under the bridge, I'm getting a tiny 
handle onto reaper, and I only need 1 means of recording music.
You know, I don't give a hoot about using much automation anyway.
I don't even like panning that waggles around the field, and I don't 
mind adding fadeIns and fadeOuts in Sound Forge, where I really feel at 
home.
Indi

On 6/3/2013 10:21 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Well, I hate to go back to that topic,
> all I can say is that jaws is packed with power, far more than 95
> percent of people realize.  Yet, it's all in there for those who know
> how to use it.  I run an older version to avoid creeping quality
> issues.  But, it's phenomenal power, a pretty darned good off screen
> model, plus object navigation, and a scripting capability that, while it
> is arcane, and not a full fledged programming language, is very nicely
> integrated and still quite capable.
> I do have NVDA, and appreciate it's smaller footPrint, and more gentle
> drain on system resources.  But, so far, I have not found anything it
> can do that I can't do with jaws, given that I made the object
> navigation available to myself.  If you run HotSpotClicker, the real
> one, you have it too.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>
>
>> One needs to use all three screen-readers to have it all these days.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>
>>
>>> You're right, too bad I'm not a jaws user, all due to misguided
>>> advice to get Vocalize to run dos, way way back in the last century.
>>> I have Jaws12, and resolve to learn to run it, well, but probably
>>> won't happen, though.
>>>  I just found the search function in NVDA, the last thing it didn't
>>> have that made it slightly inferior to Wineyes, and the 2013 NVDA now
>>> parks itself back aligned with the link to a webPage when you exit
>>> the webPage; yet another improvement to discourage ever running
>>> anything but slick little NVDA.
>>> The only occasion I ever bring up Wineyes now is to use it's numPad
>>> functions on a very oddly written logOn box.
>>> For finding screen coordinates, I may download the 40 minute demo of
>>> jaws again, if the OCR can provide coordinates of all the unknown
>>> graphics; to spot up with your knockOffHotSpotter.
>>> thanks,
>>> Indi
>>>
>>> On 6/2/2013 9:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> Well, if you know of  anyone who knows how to make AHK find graphics
>>>> when it doesn't already know about them, I would sure like to know
>>>> about
>>>> it.
>>>> I am definitely not an AHK expert, but I haven't seen anything so far
>>>> that makes me think it can do that.  I know there is some feature that
>>>> lets you search for an image, but you have to have a copy of that image
>>>> ahead of time so it can search for it.  I don't understand how to get
>>>> that copy yet. fBut, that process requires somebody to already know
>>>> what
>>>> area of the screen to get it from.
>>>> So yeah, if you can connect me with information about how to get AHK to
>>>> just create a list of graphics, I would be interested.
>>>> Too bad you're not a JAWS user.  <grin>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, Jim; you show humility about yur programming skills ; but you're
>>>>> sure making fast progress with AHK.
>>>>> Of course we're all hoping that claim that AHK can automatically
>>>>> locate, number and list the bit map graphics,  and  return to them
>>>>> when you punch up their number is true.
>>>>> I think jaws does that, but we're not all jaws users, and maybe AHK
>>>>> can seek out those graphics even after the screens have shifted or
>>>>> changed colors, as I've heard from ross it can
>>>>> If we get a script that locates graphics; we can try some of them to
>>>>> determine their action, even without sighted help, then label them
>>>>> according to their purpose.
>>>>> What I'd hope for is a kind of universal kiddie script template for us
>>>>> real non programmers; that finds the graphics, tags them with numbers,
>>>>> lets me return to them; plus a selection of actions; like to type in
>>>>> names; click automatically when I select them; or let me click
>>>>> manually.
>>>>> An auto spotting script, with user choices and nameing fields would be
>>>>> such a blessing.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:14 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> It is V3.  The file also contains a version number at the top.
>>>>>> No, you can rename the .ahk file to be whatever you want.
>>>>>> The data file it generates will be located in folder c:\ahk.
>>>>>> It creates a file with a .INI extension, named after the main
>>>>>> application.
>>>>>> I might be wishing that it was named after the title of the window
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are working in.
>>>>>> But, your data will probably turn up in c:\ahk\reaper.ini.
>>>>>> Its convenient to put the .ahk file there too, but it doesn't
>>>>>> matter, it
>>>>>> can be anywhere you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] AHK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been  adding a v1 v2 v3 to each of their titles, or I would
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> got confused.
>>>>>>> I hope that doesn't harm their running, Jim.
>>>>>>> I called this one HotSpotKnockOff_v3.
>>>>>>> Which post  was it meant to replace as the correct one?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2013 9:46 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I think I may have distributed the wrong file.  Here is a
>>>>>>>> corrected
>>>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3677477/HotSpotKnockoff.ahk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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