[RWP] Mailing list

Wed Jul 10 11:06:58 EDT 2013

XML files are cool for some people, but not everyone wants to sit around all day editing XML files to get things to work. That could be an option, but hopefully the word option will be included in that. I one don't have the time to sit and edit XML files all day. And not everyone is all that computer savvy. XML files are tricky, and if you don't put the correct context in to the string you're working on, things will not work and that will cause a whole new level of frustration. I would definitely say that it should be optional. Some people do find it easier to open up a text file, add or edit a few strings of text, and call it a day. Others… Not so much. LOL

GF

On Jul 9, 2013, at 8:31 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Yes, xml files can be good too, that's what I do to install windows 7 without sight,
> though I don't know the xml language, one can certainly use a pre existing one and change values.
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sham Beam
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Mailing list
> 
> Thanks for all these details Chris. I've copied this email and put in my notes for working on Poise. 
> 
> 
> > .ini files we can edit are good too.
> 
> How about XML files? Poise uses XML for saving patch data. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Shannon
> 
> 
> On 9/07/2013 6:38 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Ok, here's what I know generally about accessibility issues which may or may not help you.
>>  
>> For windows, if standard controls are used, thken about anything can be made accessible,
>> but since many of these cross platform tools like dot net framework and such are used to build these things, that is done primarily with pixels, and that's not so accessible.
>>  
>> So we end up using screen-scraping tools which build second menus and route the mouse for us to click on things or lock on knobs to make things go.
>>  
>> If we're lucky, then clicking on a knob will give keyboard access to the knob, and we can turn it that way.
>>  
>> Such as what happens with sessiondrummer3.
>>  
>> Tooltips that bring up text are good, our      screen-readers can deal with that pretty well, but in general, the more keyboard access the better.
>>  
>> If one can pull down menus from a keyboard, or even if we do have to do some mouse clicks, if we can run the mouse around the screen and text speaks, then that is good.
>>  
>> .ini files we can edit are good too.
>>  
>> Also giving midi cc access is good, and      documentation in plain text or rtf, anything but that blasted pdf format,
>> blind folks don't like pdf in general 'grin'.
>>  
>> Also, many vst's expose automatable parameters.
>> in reaper and in sonar in the inspector pane, and the synth rack,
>> and the fx view in reaper where we can adjust values for things.
>>  
>> So allowing that to happen is great.
>>  
>> Many plug-ins which are only pixels in the native ui offer enough access with automatible parms that we can use them even if they aren't scripted for.
>>  
>> Ok, there's a guy on here Roy, who you probably know of already, he's a bit more of a programmer than I am, well, a lot more,
>> and he can talk turkey with you.
>>  
>> So can Jim the snowman, who's the big      daddy
>> jaws dude who made hsc for us, the magic tool that let's jaws users build their own access for difficult plugs.
>>  
>> He's also started using hsc,
>> which is a more generic helper app which isn't screen-reader dependant so everyone can come to the party as it were.
>>  
>> Ok, I've blathered on enough for now.
>>  
>> Time to dive in to pois.
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sham Beam
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Mailing list
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Poise is a drum sampler VST for Windows. Details can be seen here www.onesmallclue.com
>> 
>> Any help will be appreciated. I'm entirely new to building software with accessibility in mind. Google has provided a few leads which I'm following up now. It would be great to have someone for advice with the finer details.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Shannon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/07/2013 3:20 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> Hi Shannon, Chris Belle here.
>>>  
>>> I kind of missed this whole bois thing, but I am an advanced user, using multiple screen-readers, and have done a bit of access work myself with third party utils
>>> like ahk and hsc, though you couldn't put me in the programming arena, not quite there yet.
>>>  
>>> Give me your website and I'll get educated, and help if I can.
>>>  
>>> It's sure nice to have folks like you in          our corner.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Sham Beam
>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:57            PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Mailing list
>>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the welcome Goldfinga,
>>> 
>>> As Goldfinga says I've been working on Poise to improve it's 
>>> accessibility. I've made a couple small changes already based on couple 
>>> suggestions. At the moment I'm working on labeling the graphics so the 
>>> GUI can be used with screen readers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Shannon
>>> 
>>> www.onesmallclue.com
>>> shannon at onesmallclue.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/07/2013 10:50 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>> > We've made things easier. We will just use this list. Welcome Shannon… Now, where are the programmers? LOL
>>> >
>>> > GF
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 8, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Kevin Reeves <lists at kevinreeves.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Yeah. Let's do it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Will you use something like            Google Groups or something?
>>> >>
>>> >> Kevin
>>> >>
>>> >>
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