[RWP] Help with Sinth VSTs
Keith Hinton
keithint1234 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 31 13:07:01 EST 2013
I forgot to mention DPC latency. One thing the Macs from I believe
2010 onwars are famous for is high over 1000 plus worth non tweekable
values out of control DPC latency. At least when running Windows. You
can't tweek it in software, and you can't bring it down in hardware.
So ultimately, it doesn't matter what hard-drive RPM you have at all.
You'll get dropouts, and other problems with any realtime audio
program like Sonar. Sorry for me just remembering to mention that. But
I figured to do that, before you got all excited. So really, think
twice. If you want a good machine manufacturer, look at Jim
Roseberry's machines over at http://www.studiocat.com
On 12/31/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> I like synthetic synths myself, and aren't interested in synphonic
> instruments, but there's a big orchestra program that some blind users
> have accessed for years, something Pocket Orchestra.
> It might come with Sonar Producer version, or you may be able to buy it
> separately.
> Someone here will know its name, and how to get it.
> Also, there are hardware modules by Roland and others with very
> realistic orchestra instruments.
> The Yamaha Motif series are famous for their emulated acoustic
> instruments, and they have great access, even a website devoted to blind
> users of Motifs.
>
> If you read the posts on the most recent mac changes that have destroyed
> most of mac access, you may become wary of struggling with running a mac.
> I envied the beautiful clarity of music made on Logic, until I played a
> tutorial video done by TC Helicon on how to edit a tiny little track
> from 1 of their pedals in Logic on a mac.
> The guy was a expert mac user, and a factory tech, and it took hours,
> plus a dozen reboots to get a few little track edits done in Logic.
> Mac owners will never reveal those flaws to you, they have paid so much
> for their macs; and the snob appeal is so great; they just keep quiet
> and eat it.
>
> Indi
>
> On 12/30/2013 6:40 PM, Crystal Dennis wrote:
>> Thanks for all the help guys. I've been having issues with accessing
>> the preference windows even with the JAWS cursors and clicking star
>> and everything, and putting graphics on read all didn't do anything in
>> Eastwest. I wasn't aware that this would be an issue with sinths, so
>> I am a little sad because I wanted to really use some orchestra
>> sinths: The accessible ones I have right now are more dance sinths (I
>> have z3TA plus) I am currently on the hunt for any accessible
>> orchestra sinths, so any help with that would be appreciated. I'm
>> also debating having a sighted friend just set it up for me, but it's
>> ashame that that has to be the solution to these sorts of problems
>> other than just buying a mac that has more on board accessibility lol.
>>
>> I will continue troubleshooting/testing sinths though, thanks everyone!
>>
>> On 12/29/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>> Jackie, I once experimented with enabling audio devices and midi devices
>>> in Reaper with Wineyes 6.1, Jaws 10 and NVDA 2012.
>>> The method was very similar in each for routing disabled over to the
>>> number pad, focusing on it there, then pressing the star key for a right
>>> click to bring up the configuration dialog.
>>> I don't think its either easier or more difficult with any of those, and
>>> I didn't find any impossible moves in Reaper for those particular
>>> screenreaders.
>>>
>>> For making VST synths play that don't easily display their presets, I
>>> found it was hit and miss as to which screenreader displayed what
>>> interface parameters.
>>> Wineyes previous and next clip is the most useful screenreader move I
>>> found for locating elusive interface icons, but I'm not skilled enough
>>> in Jaws to utilize all its potential in its numPad cursors, nor did I
>>> ever learn to use its OCR function.
>>> I don't know if anyone has yet found all that NVDA's object navigation
>>> can do, and I'm constantly surprised at what I can read with NVDA.
>>> On this online surfing computer I now have only NVDA and Google Chrome,
>>> which together move like a lightening boltaround web pages.
>>> Reaper itself dumps all automatable parameters is an awkward to use
>>> list, but I never found any of those listed parameters useful to get an
>>> uncooperative synth to expose its presets, so you can play them.
>>> Either by accident when roaming around the interface and left clicking,
>>> or with sighted help, I've got preset inc and dec arrows located, in
>>> several synths, like NI's Massive, FM8 and Absynth 5, plus Zebra, Nexus,
>>> and others; and found ways to get back to those preset buttons, which is
>>> at least miminal access.
>>> With as many accessible VST synths that are available, like Z3TA, which
>>> readily exposes all its presets, same with Gladiator,Firebird, and many
>>> others, one could say why frustrate oneself with uncooperative synths.
>>> Still, some synths sound so beautiful we get sucked into unraveling
>>> their puzzle.
>>> With me it's Camel Audio's Alchemy, which I have been working on for a
>>> couple of years now.
>>> Novation's AutoMap has been a blessing at getting every parameter of VST
>>> plugs onto hardware knobs and buttons, but it is no help at finding and
>>> navigating interface menus, dialogs, and other bit map screen monkey
>>> puzzles one needs for total access.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/28/2013 4:31 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:
>>>> Unfortunately, Jaws 10 is pretty old & may not be picking up on stuff
>>>> it needs to pick up on. Having said that, though, Crystall, there are
>>>> some settings I'd advise u to change in Jaws. First, u should consider
>>>> setting graphics to all--not labeled, & definitively not none. Also,
>>>> try going into your verbosity preferences & check to read the
>>>> tooltips. Lastly, try seeing what happens if u set jaws to follow pc.
>>>> U might get some tooltips to read & be able to figure out what some of
>>>> those unlabeled graphics do, & then u can label 'em. Unset that option
>>>> when you're done, though, or it'll drive u absolutely nutso.
>>>>
>>>> U might also try NVDA & see if that provides any better results.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/13, Crystal Dennis <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I feel like that may be the problem: I have gone into the preferences
>>>>> dialogues and can only see very sparce things with the JAWS cursor.
>>>>> In that case: Does anyone know an accessible set of orchestra sinths
>>>>> I can test out?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/28/13, Gianluca Apollaro <gianluca.apollaro88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>> if some synths are working and some other arn't it probably means
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the not working ones have a non accessible interface and that you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to click on some graphics to make them load their sounds.
>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy.
>>>>>> Skype Id: gianluca8815
>>>>>> Il 28/12/2013 04:46, Crystal Dennis ha scritto:
>>>>>>> Yeah and every other sinth is working, so I'm wondering if I should
>>>>>>> just try another package until I find one that works...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/27/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is very odd. "Default" is, well, the default--in other words
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> shortcut that points to whatever you've set as your default device.
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are no devices, that's meaningless. You must have some sound device
>>>>>>>> otherwise you would not be able to hear JAWS, but for it to not
>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> quite strange.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Crystal Dennis" <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:16 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Help with Sinth VSTs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I pull down the sound device menus I have:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Primary Sound capture driver -- when Direct Sound is selected
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft Sound Mapper -- When Wave out is selected.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> those are the only 2 sound devices that show up and on midi I
>>>>>>>>> have:
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft Wavable Sinth Disabled (I tried right clicking and no
>>>>>>>>> menus
>>>>>>>>> came up at all....I'm also using JAWS 10)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only things I can't get working are the sound libraries, and I
>>>>>>>>> feel like there's something vital that I'm missing due to my
>>>>>>>>> newbe-ness in this subject....sorry if this is too many questions!
>>>>>>>>> But all I get are drop down menus in preferences, no way to right
>>>>>>>>> click anything even with the JAWS cursor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Crystal, do you have a sound card that you installed into your
>>>>>>>>>> computer,
>>>>>>>>>> or is there only the RealTech sound chip?
>>>>>>>>>> If you have a third-party soundcard installed, or just RealTech,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> need to get it recognized in Reaper's preferences.
>>>>>>>>>> You can play VST synths using the RealTech chip, but with large
>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> latency; between the moment you hit the note on the keyboard and
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> moment you hear the note.
>>>>>>>>>> To get either your installed soundcard or the built in RealTech
>>>>>>>>>> chip
>>>>>>>>>> enabled, press ctrl+P.
>>>>>>>>>> Then navigate to audio.
>>>>>>>>>> Then tab down to the field that shows either your soundcard, or
>>>>>>>>>> RealTech, and get enabled; instead of Disabled, after its name;
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> routing focus to the number pad.
>>>>>>>>>> The method will depend on your screenreader, but it's similar in
>>>>>>>>>> Wineyes, Jaws and NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>> Then focus at the numPad on the soundcard's name, or Disabled.
>>>>>>>>>> Then right click at the number pad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Configure Dialog should appear.
>>>>>>>>>> Press enter on the Configure Dialog, and when it opens, place
>>>>>>>>>> checkmarks
>>>>>>>>>> on use as audio device, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>>> Then arrow down to Midi Device and follow the same procedure for
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> inputs and outputs for midi.
>>>>>>>>>> Get Disabled routed over to the number Pad, then focus on the
>>>>>>>>>> soundcard's name or Disabled, then right click and you should get
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> midi configuration Dialog.
>>>>>>>>>> Hit enter on it.
>>>>>>>>>> When it opens, place checkmarks with your spacebar on Use as midi
>>>>>>>>>> device, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>>> Then tab down to OK and hit enter, and you'll be taken back to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>>>>> To get a synth to load, you need to install it in a folder, or
>>>>>>>>>> copy/paste its .dll into a folder, so Reaper can find it.
>>>>>>>>>> I keep all VST's in C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VSTPlugins which,
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> typed it correctly, is the exact path to my synths folder.
>>>>>>>>>> To type in the path to where you are keeping VST plugIns, press
>>>>>>>>>> ctrl+P,
>>>>>>>>>> then arrow down to VST, then tab down to where Reaper asks you to
>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>> in a path to your VST plugIns.
>>>>>>>>>> Same here as when getting a soundcard enabled, be sure to click
>>>>>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> OK before exiting.
>>>>>>>>>> To load a synth, press the letter F while on a selected track and
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> load dialog opens.
>>>>>>>>>> Navigate with tab and arrows to the desired plugIn and hit enter
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>> and it loads to the selected track.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, while arrowed to the track with the loaded plug, tab and
>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> various recording options.
>>>>>>>>>> Set monitor to Normal with your arrow keys, so you can hear the
>>>>>>>>>> synth
>>>>>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>>>>> Be sure to hit enter to keep your settings.
>>>>>>>>>> I can't tell you what to set as the recording source, since I've
>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>> used the virtual keyboard, and have no idea how to set up a synth
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> play from virtual keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry,
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/26/2013 7:52 PM, Crystal Dennis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again! I seriously need some help, so hopefully I came to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> right place :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been using reaper for awhile, and I recently wanted to
>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>> composing my own music tracks with instrument sinths. I'm using
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> virtual keyboard, and have downloaded a few sinth sets but...I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> had this same problem with all of them: They haven't been
>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>> when I load the track into reaper! Here's what I've been doing:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Installing the software (I've tried Eastwest and Miroslave
>>>>>>>>>>> Filharmonic with the same results for both - no audio)
>>>>>>>>>>> - Then I've tinkered with my audio device settings with no
>>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now I am very, very new with dealing with sinths, so my
>>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>>>> Do I need some new software that reaper doesn't have? I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> any Aceo drivers, could that be why? or does the Virtual
>>>>>>>>>>> Keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>> just not work for all plugins...I've tried spicy guitar also and
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't play either. Sound magics VSTs have worked for me, but
>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>> about it really. There's something that says 32 Out and 8 Out
>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> some of the files, what does that mean? Are there any other
>>>>>>>>>>> orchestra
>>>>>>>>>>> sinth packs that work better with Reaper I could try out? I
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> just want to get something working because right now I have a
>>>>>>>>>>> ton
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> GB taken up with nothing to show for it. So mainly I'm a noob
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> sinths who needs help!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for this novel! Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Crystal
>>>>>>>>>>>
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