[RWP] audio class, was Help with Sinth VSTs
Drew
amockery at gmail.com
Tue Dec 31 04:37:27 EST 2013
Since you mentioned lesson plans I might as well plug myself and Mr. Derek Lane's audio course, offered through the Cisco Academy for Vision Impaired. We explain the fundamentals of audio (as the name implies) such as different microphone types, shielding, balanced VS. unbalanced cables, bit depth/sample rate, , what different effects are, and so forth. Then we take you through editing in either single or multi track, depending on what your interest is. GW/Reaper are the ones taught but you can use your own, and most of the concepts transfer, if you're willing to learn. At $150 it is simply the most comprehensive distance learning instruction you can have that is blindness specific and also ludicrously inexpensive. If anyone's interested they can learn more at http://wiki.cucat.org/index.php?n=Main.AudioEditingFundamentals
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Belle
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Help with Sinth VSTs
The closest thing to a turnkey solution for a daw out there now that has comprehensive tutorials, and a way to do most things you want to do
is caketalking from dancing dots for cakewalk sonar 8.5.3 on windows,
and then some third party devs have made
synths accessible with hsc for kontak libraries, and
other high end synths, some of this has trickled over to reaper,
but more of it is available on the sonar side.
I use both reaper and sonar, and like them each for different reasons, I tend to like reaper for an out and out audio editor for cross-fading and post production stuff,
sonar's audio editing is kind of clunky, but it's midi editing is great.
But technically you can do everything with both daws.
Much more work has been done on the sonar side though because it was what most of us used for years and years.
re-access is considered abandon ware now, and isn't being developed anymore.
Caketalking just released it's last update for sonar 8.5.3
and there are rumors of a script package for sonar x3, but nothing for sure.
The interface changed so much that it's basically gonna take a whole re-write.
Some over here are using later versions of reaper,
and using re-access with work arounds, but most I think are more audio guys than midi guys.
We've got a few pioneers in different camps, I know of one cubass user who hired a programmer to make things accessible for him,
a couple of protools users,
it all depends on how fast you need to get up to speed and what your goals are.
Reaper holds lots of promise, and some are working being productive with it and making money,
but there is no fixed way for a blind person to grab a tutorial, and or buy a lesson plan, and get there.
Perhaps some of the advanced users here would give lessons for hire, and; you could get them to teach you.
Good luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Hinton
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Help with Sinth VSTs
Hi,
I wanted to point outsomething important about you buyig a Mac if
that's something you intend to do.
The example applications we'll use are Apple's GarageBand and Logic
software, but you need to understand that not everything is sighted
help free, even on OS X.
Basicly, GarageBand used to be useable, we had effects, compressors,
and other things we could apply to music/audio.
However, when Logic ten and GarageBand ten came out (total software
rewrites), the effects, compressors, amp moddlers, and so on,
disappeared as far as Voiceover goes. Why? Because, Apple, much like
how this has been the case for Windows apps for years requiring
scripting as a result, has been visually making the interfaces
"visually appealing.".
This means, that amongst other things, all the controls are
non-standard, so VoiceOver will ever find them. They actually
digitally made BitMap nobs and other nice visually appealing graphic
icons for things in GarageBand, but this also means they have done the
same for the effects and compresors, etc.
We are left quite literally pounding button after button after button
after button, hoping to hell things happen when they happen, etc, as
of the rewrite.
The fact of the matter is, only sighted folks are having no trouble
with the latest Logic or GarageBand programs on OS X respectively.
And you'll be stuck with this horrible rewrite of an application, as
it ships on all new Macs with OS X 10.9.
Most of the keyboard shortcuts do not speak anymore, either as of the
GarageBand ten release rewrite either.
Conflicting reports exist for logic, but I'm just pointing out that if
you don't think that sighted help isn't also an issue on OS X, do not
be so sure of what you say before thinking about it first.
Voiceover isn't all it's cracked up to be necessarily, depending on
the circumstances in witch you use it.
there will always be an application that you or I cannot access
without sighted help to what extent depends on how many nonstandard
controls were used.
I'm predicting that someday, scripting heavily around badly coded
interfaces for OS X applications somehow will be the norm in the
future.
Just some interesting thoughts to consider.
On 12/30/13, Crystal Dennis <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all the help guys. I've been having issues with accessing
> the preference windows even with the JAWS cursors and clicking star
> and everything, and putting graphics on read all didn't do anything in
> Eastwest. I wasn't aware that this would be an issue with sinths, so
> I am a little sad because I wanted to really use some orchestra
> sinths: The accessible ones I have right now are more dance sinths (I
> have z3TA plus) I am currently on the hunt for any accessible
> orchestra sinths, so any help with that would be appreciated. I'm
> also debating having a sighted friend just set it up for me, but it's
> ashame that that has to be the solution to these sorts of problems
> other than just buying a mac that has more on board accessibility lol.
>
> I will continue troubleshooting/testing sinths though, thanks everyone!
>
> On 12/29/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> Jackie, I once experimented with enabling audio devices and midi devices
>> in Reaper with Wineyes 6.1, Jaws 10 and NVDA 2012.
>> The method was very similar in each for routing disabled over to the
>> number pad, focusing on it there, then pressing the star key for a right
>> click to bring up the configuration dialog.
>> I don't think its either easier or more difficult with any of those, and
>> I didn't find any impossible moves in Reaper for those particular
>> screenreaders.
>>
>> For making VST synths play that don't easily display their presets, I
>> found it was hit and miss as to which screenreader displayed what
>> interface parameters.
>> Wineyes previous and next clip is the most useful screenreader move I
>> found for locating elusive interface icons, but I'm not skilled enough
>> in Jaws to utilize all its potential in its numPad cursors, nor did I
>> ever learn to use its OCR function.
>> I don't know if anyone has yet found all that NVDA's object navigation
>> can do, and I'm constantly surprised at what I can read with NVDA.
>> On this online surfing computer I now have only NVDA and Google Chrome,
>> which together move like a lightening boltaround web pages.
>> Reaper itself dumps all automatable parameters is an awkward to use
>> list, but I never found any of those listed parameters useful to get an
>> uncooperative synth to expose its presets, so you can play them.
>> Either by accident when roaming around the interface and left clicking,
>> or with sighted help, I've got preset inc and dec arrows located, in
>> several synths, like NI's Massive, FM8 and Absynth 5, plus Zebra, Nexus,
>> and others; and found ways to get back to those preset buttons, which is
>> at least miminal access.
>> With as many accessible VST synths that are available, like Z3TA, which
>> readily exposes all its presets, same with Gladiator,Firebird, and many
>> others, one could say why frustrate oneself with uncooperative synths.
>> Still, some synths sound so beautiful we get sucked into unraveling
>> their puzzle.
>> With me it's Camel Audio's Alchemy, which I have been working on for a
>> couple of years now.
>> Novation's AutoMap has been a blessing at getting every parameter of VST
>> plugs onto hardware knobs and buttons, but it is no help at finding and
>> navigating interface menus, dialogs, and other bit map screen monkey
>> puzzles one needs for total access.
>> Indi
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2013 4:31 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, Jaws 10 is pretty old & may not be picking up on stuff
>>> it needs to pick up on. Having said that, though, Crystall, there are
>>> some settings I'd advise u to change in Jaws. First, u should consider
>>> setting graphics to all--not labeled, & definitively not none. Also,
>>> try going into your verbosity preferences & check to read the
>>> tooltips. Lastly, try seeing what happens if u set jaws to follow pc.
>>> U might get some tooltips to read & be able to figure out what some of
>>> those unlabeled graphics do, & then u can label 'em. Unset that option
>>> when you're done, though, or it'll drive u absolutely nutso.
>>>
>>> U might also try NVDA & see if that provides any better results.
>>>
>>> On 12/28/13, Crystal Dennis <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I feel like that may be the problem: I have gone into the preferences
>>>> dialogues and can only see very sparce things with the JAWS cursor.
>>>> In that case: Does anyone know an accessible set of orchestra sinths
>>>> I can test out?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/13, Gianluca Apollaro <gianluca.apollaro88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>> if some synths are working and some other arn't it probably means that
>>>>> the not working ones have a non accessible interface and that you have
>>>>> to click on some graphics to make them load their sounds.
>>>>> Hth,
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Gianluca from Italy.
>>>>> Skype Id: gianluca8815
>>>>> Il 28/12/2013 04:46, Crystal Dennis ha scritto:
>>>>>> Yeah and every other sinth is working, so I'm wondering if I should
>>>>>> just try another package until I find one that works...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/27/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> That is very odd. "Default" is, well, the default--in other words
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> shortcut that points to whatever you've set as your default device.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are no devices, that's meaningless. You must have some sound device
>>>>>>> otherwise you would not be able to hear JAWS, but for it to not show
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> quite strange.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Crystal Dennis" <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Help with Sinth VSTs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I pull down the sound device menus I have:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Primary Sound capture driver -- when Direct Sound is selected
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Sound Mapper -- When Wave out is selected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> those are the only 2 sound devices that show up and on midi I have:
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Wavable Sinth Disabled (I tried right clicking and no
>>>>>>>> menus
>>>>>>>> came up at all....I'm also using JAWS 10)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only things I can't get working are the sound libraries, and I
>>>>>>>> feel like there's something vital that I'm missing due to my
>>>>>>>> newbe-ness in this subject....sorry if this is too many questions!
>>>>>>>> But all I get are drop down menus in preferences, no way to right
>>>>>>>> click anything even with the JAWS cursor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/27/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Crystal, do you have a sound card that you installed into your
>>>>>>>>> computer,
>>>>>>>>> or is there only the RealTech sound chip?
>>>>>>>>> If you have a third-party soundcard installed, or just RealTech,
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> need to get it recognized in Reaper's preferences.
>>>>>>>>> You can play VST synths using the RealTech chip, but with large
>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> latency; between the moment you hit the note on the keyboard and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> moment you hear the note.
>>>>>>>>> To get either your installed soundcard or the built in RealTech
>>>>>>>>> chip
>>>>>>>>> enabled, press ctrl+P.
>>>>>>>>> Then navigate to audio.
>>>>>>>>> Then tab down to the field that shows either your soundcard, or
>>>>>>>>> RealTech, and get enabled; instead of Disabled, after its name; by
>>>>>>>>> routing focus to the number pad.
>>>>>>>>> The method will depend on your screenreader, but it's similar in
>>>>>>>>> Wineyes, Jaws and NVDA.
>>>>>>>>> Then focus at the numPad on the soundcard's name, or Disabled.
>>>>>>>>> Then right click at the number pad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Configure Dialog should appear.
>>>>>>>>> Press enter on the Configure Dialog, and when it opens, place
>>>>>>>>> checkmarks
>>>>>>>>> on use as audio device, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>> Then arrow down to Midi Device and follow the same procedure for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> inputs and outputs for midi.
>>>>>>>>> Get Disabled routed over to the number Pad, then focus on the
>>>>>>>>> soundcard's name or Disabled, then right click and you should get
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> midi configuration Dialog.
>>>>>>>>> Hit enter on it.
>>>>>>>>> When it opens, place checkmarks with your spacebar on Use as midi
>>>>>>>>> device, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>> Then tab down to OK and hit enter, and you'll be taken back to the
>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>>>> To get a synth to load, you need to install it in a folder, or
>>>>>>>>> copy/paste its .dll into a folder, so Reaper can find it.
>>>>>>>>> I keep all VST's in C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VSTPlugins which,
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> typed it correctly, is the exact path to my synths folder.
>>>>>>>>> To type in the path to where you are keeping VST plugIns, press
>>>>>>>>> ctrl+P,
>>>>>>>>> then arrow down to VST, then tab down to where Reaper asks you to
>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>> in a path to your VST plugIns.
>>>>>>>>> Same here as when getting a soundcard enabled, be sure to click
>>>>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> OK before exiting.
>>>>>>>>> To load a synth, press the letter F while on a selected track and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> load dialog opens.
>>>>>>>>> Navigate with tab and arrows to the desired plugIn and hit enter
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>> and it loads to the selected track.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, while arrowed to the track with the loaded plug, tab and
>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> various recording options.
>>>>>>>>> Set monitor to Normal with your arrow keys, so you can hear the
>>>>>>>>> synth
>>>>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>>>> Be sure to hit enter to keep your settings.
>>>>>>>>> I can't tell you what to set as the recording source, since I've
>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>> used the virtual keyboard, and have no idea how to set up a synth
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> play from virtual keyboard.
>>>>>>>>> Sorry,
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/26/2013 7:52 PM, Crystal Dennis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi again! I seriously need some help, so hopefully I came to the
>>>>>>>>>> right place :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been using reaper for awhile, and I recently wanted to
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>> composing my own music tracks with instrument sinths. I'm using
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> virtual keyboard, and have downloaded a few sinth sets but...I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> had this same problem with all of them: They haven't been
>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>> when I load the track into reaper! Here's what I've been doing:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Installing the software (I've tried Eastwest and Miroslave
>>>>>>>>>> Filharmonic with the same results for both - no audio)
>>>>>>>>>> - Then I've tinkered with my audio device settings with no
>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now I am very, very new with dealing with sinths, so my questions
>>>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>>> Do I need some new software that reaper doesn't have? I
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> any Aceo drivers, could that be why? or does the Virtual
>>>>>>>>>> Keyboard
>>>>>>>>>> just not work for all plugins...I've tried spicy guitar also and
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't play either. Sound magics VSTs have worked for me, but
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>> about it really. There's something that says 32 Out and 8 Out
>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> some of the files, what does that mean? Are there any other
>>>>>>>>>> orchestra
>>>>>>>>>> sinth packs that work better with Reaper I could try out? I
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> just want to get something working because right now I have a ton
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> GB taken up with nothing to show for it. So mainly I'm a noob
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> sinths who needs help!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for this novel! Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Crystal
>>>>>>>>>>
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