[RWP] Help with Sinth VSTs

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Sun Dec 29 11:43:49 EST 2013 

Jackie, I once experimented with enabling audio devices and midi devices 
in Reaper with Wineyes 6.1, Jaws 10 and NVDA 2012.
The method was very similar in each for routing disabled over to the 
number pad, focusing on it there, then pressing the star key for a right 
click to bring up the configuration dialog.
I don't think its either easier or more difficult with any of those, and 
I didn't find any impossible moves in Reaper for those particular 
screenreaders.

For making VST synths play that don't easily display their presets, I 
found it was hit and miss as to which screenreader displayed what 
interface parameters.
Wineyes previous and next clip is the most useful screenreader move I 
found for locating elusive interface icons, but  I'm not skilled enough 
in Jaws to utilize all its potential in its numPad cursors, nor did I 
ever learn to use its OCR function.
I don't know if anyone has yet found all that NVDA's object navigation 
can do, and I'm constantly surprised at what I can read with NVDA.
On this online surfing computer I now have only NVDA and Google Chrome, 
which together move like a lightening boltaround web pages.
Reaper itself dumps all automatable parameters is an awkward to use 
list, but I never found any of those listed parameters useful to get an 
uncooperative synth to expose its presets, so you can play them.
Either by accident when roaming around the interface and left clicking, 
or with sighted help, I've got preset inc and dec arrows located, in 
several synths, like NI's Massive, FM8 and Absynth 5, plus Zebra, Nexus, 
and others; and found ways to get back to those preset buttons, which is 
at least miminal access.
With as many accessible VST synths that are available, like Z3TA, which 
readily exposes all its presets, same with Gladiator,Firebird, and many 
others, one could say why frustrate oneself with uncooperative synths.
Still, some synths sound so beautiful we get sucked into unraveling 
their puzzle.
With me it's Camel Audio's Alchemy, which I have been working on for a 
couple of years now.
Novation's AutoMap has been a blessing at getting every parameter of VST 
plugs onto hardware knobs and buttons, but it is no help at finding and 
navigating interface menus, dialogs, and other bit map  screen monkey 
puzzles one needs for total access.
Indi 	


On 12/28/2013 4:31 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:
> Unfortunately, Jaws 10 is pretty old & may not be picking up on stuff
> it needs to pick up on. Having said that, though, Crystall, there are
> some settings I'd advise u to change in Jaws. First, u should consider
> setting graphics to all--not labeled, & definitively not none. Also,
> try going into your verbosity preferences & check to read the
> tooltips. Lastly, try seeing what happens if u set jaws to follow pc.
> U might get some tooltips to read & be able to figure out what some of
> those unlabeled graphics do, & then u can label 'em. Unset that option
> when you're done, though, or it'll drive u absolutely nutso.
>
> U might also try NVDA & see if that provides any better results.
>
> On 12/28/13, Crystal Dennis <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I feel like that may be the problem:  I have gone into the preferences
>> dialogues and can only see very sparce things with the JAWS cursor.
>> In that case:  Does anyone know an accessible set of orchestra sinths
>> I can test out?
>>
>> On 12/28/13, Gianluca Apollaro <gianluca.apollaro88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>> if some synths are working and some other arn't it probably means that
>>> the not working ones have a non accessible interface and that you have
>>> to click on some graphics to make them load their sounds.
>>> Hth,
>>> Best regards,
>>> Gianluca from Italy.
>>> Skype Id: gianluca8815
>>> Il 28/12/2013 04:46, Crystal Dennis ha scritto:
>>>> Yeah and every other sinth is working, so I'm wondering if I should
>>>> just try another package until I find one that works...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/27/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> That is very odd. "Default" is, well, the default--in other words it's
>>>>> a
>>>>> shortcut that points to whatever you've set as your default device. If
>>>>> there
>>>>>
>>>>> are no devices, that's meaningless. You must have some sound device
>>>>> otherwise you would not be able to hear JAWS, but for it to not show up
>>>>> is
>>>>> quite strange.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Crystal Dennis" <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Help with Sinth VSTs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I pull down the sound device menus I have:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Primary Sound capture driver -- when Direct Sound is selected
>>>>>> Microsoft Sound Mapper -- When Wave out is selected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> those are the only 2 sound devices that show up and on midi I have:
>>>>>> Microsoft Wavable Sinth Disabled (I tried right clicking and no menus
>>>>>> came up at all....I'm also using JAWS 10)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only things I can't get working are the sound libraries, and I
>>>>>> feel like there's something vital that I'm missing due to my
>>>>>> newbe-ness in this subject....sorry if this is too many questions!
>>>>>> But all I get are drop down menus in preferences, no way to right
>>>>>> click anything even with the JAWS cursor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/27/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Crystal, do you have a sound card that you installed into your
>>>>>>> computer,
>>>>>>> or is there only the RealTech sound chip?
>>>>>>> If you have a third-party soundcard installed, or just RealTech,  you
>>>>>>> need to get it recognized in Reaper's preferences.
>>>>>>> You can play VST synths using the RealTech chip, but with large delay
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> latency; between the moment you hit the note on the keyboard and the
>>>>>>> moment you hear the note.
>>>>>>> To get either your installed soundcard or the built in RealTech chip
>>>>>>> enabled, press ctrl+P.
>>>>>>> Then navigate to audio.
>>>>>>> Then tab down to the field that shows either your soundcard, or
>>>>>>> RealTech, and get enabled; instead of Disabled, after its name; by
>>>>>>> routing focus to the number pad.
>>>>>>> The method will depend on your screenreader, but it's similar in
>>>>>>> Wineyes, Jaws and NVDA.
>>>>>>> Then focus at the numPad on the soundcard's name, or Disabled.
>>>>>>> Then right click at the number pad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Configure Dialog should appear.
>>>>>>> Press enter on the Configure Dialog, and when it opens, place
>>>>>>> checkmarks
>>>>>>> on use as audio device, etcetera.
>>>>>>> Then arrow down to Midi Device and follow the same procedure for the
>>>>>>> inputs and outputs for midi.
>>>>>>> Get Disabled routed over to the number Pad, then focus on the
>>>>>>> soundcard's name or Disabled, then right click and you should get the
>>>>>>> midi configuration Dialog.
>>>>>>> Hit enter on it.
>>>>>>> When it opens, place checkmarks with your spacebar on Use as midi
>>>>>>> device, etcetera.
>>>>>>> Then tab down to OK and hit enter, and you'll be taken back to the
>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>> To get a synth to load, you need to install it in a folder, or
>>>>>>> copy/paste its .dll into a folder, so Reaper can find it.
>>>>>>> I keep all VST's in C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VSTPlugins which, if I
>>>>>>> typed it correctly, is the exact path to my synths folder.
>>>>>>> To type in the path to where you are keeping VST plugIns, press
>>>>>>> ctrl+P,
>>>>>>> then arrow down to VST, then tab down to where Reaper asks you to
>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>> in a path to your VST plugIns.
>>>>>>> Same here as when getting a soundcard enabled, be sure to click enter
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> OK before exiting.
>>>>>>> To load a synth, press the letter F while on a selected track and the
>>>>>>> load dialog opens.
>>>>>>> Navigate with tab and arrows to the desired plugIn and hit enter on
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> and it loads to the selected track.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, while arrowed to the track with the loaded plug, tab and you'll
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> various recording options.
>>>>>>> Set monitor to Normal with your arrow keys, so you can hear the synth
>>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>> Be sure to hit enter to keep your settings.
>>>>>>> I can't tell you what to set as the recording source, since I've
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> used the virtual keyboard, and have no idea how to set up a synth to
>>>>>>> play from virtual keyboard.
>>>>>>> Sorry,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/26/2013 7:52 PM, Crystal Dennis wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi again!  I seriously need some help, so hopefully I came to the
>>>>>>>> right place :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been using reaper for awhile, and I recently wanted to start
>>>>>>>> composing my own music tracks with instrument sinths.  I'm using the
>>>>>>>> virtual keyboard, and have downloaded a few sinth sets but...I have
>>>>>>>> had this same problem with all of them:  They haven't been playing
>>>>>>>> when I load the track into reaper!  Here's what I've been doing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Installing the software (I've tried Eastwest and Miroslave
>>>>>>>> Filharmonic with the same results for both - no audio)
>>>>>>>> - Then I've tinkered with my audio device settings with no results.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now I am very, very new with dealing with sinths, so my questions
>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>     Do I need some new software that reaper doesn't have?  I don't
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> any Aceo drivers, could that be why?  or does the Virtual Keyboard
>>>>>>>> just not work for all plugins...I've tried spicy guitar also and it
>>>>>>>> doesn't play either.  Sound magics VSTs have worked for me, but
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> about it really.  There's something that says 32 Out and 8 Out next
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> some of the files, what does that mean?  Are there any other
>>>>>>>> orchestra
>>>>>>>> sinth packs that work better with Reaper I could try out?  I really
>>>>>>>> just want to get something working because right now I have a ton of
>>>>>>>> GB taken up with nothing to show for it.  So mainly I'm a noob with
>>>>>>>> sinths who needs help!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for this novel!  Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Crystal
>>>>>>>>
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