[RWP] Running 32 bit plugs in Win7 64 with Reaper 64?

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Dec 23 22:20:45 EST 2013 

It's a huge pain for sure.

I can disable it easily enough, but when you actually want to use the card for somethig useful, it becomes a hit and miss proposition.

This is one reason I tend to by-pass the realtech whenever possible and use another sound card.

Another thing that adds even more insult to injury is that the onboard cards, and many of the other consumer grade options out there don't have a true line level jack anymore.

It's all done by padding the same op amps to one degree or another,
turn it up for mic, and turn it down for line.

This doesn't take impedance or front end load in to account, back in the days when we had descrete op amps for line and mic in our hardware even in our cheap sound cards,
you could actually get a decent recording, 
ok, I'll give playback and surround sound and all that 
to the modern 
cards, but just try regulating a hot line level in to a supposed line adjusted jack on any of thewe new fangled devices, it's gonna distort, 
and it's even hard to get a usb device that does this right, you can find microphone inputs all day long on usb,
but the one's which boast a line level do the same thing, just pad a mic line input.

So your choice is to go to a low end interface like the lexicon alpha for about 60 bucks
to get a decent line input.

I found a thumb drive size via chipset device,
which comes with software which actually lets the card go up to 192 khz in some cases,
and doesn't do too bad for line and mic level adjustments, but it still splits the difference,
but 
for 20 bucks, I guess it's not the worst in the world.

It still doesn't do as good a job though as even a junky old soundblaster live card did for a consumer grade line input,
or an audogy.

Those things even for a consumer grade card would take quite a bit of punch on the front end before distorting.

Oh well, welcome to the new world of corner cutting convenient hardware I guess.

You can bet if there's a way for them to save 1 tenths of a cent,
they will,
whether it's leaving out a jack,
or using bridged technology instead of supporting slots directly on your pc,
or not supporting direct monitoring on your digital recorder,
let's just half ass everything and get it out the door, they'll buy it anyway 'grin'.


 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Snowbarger 
  To: Reapers Without Peepers 
  Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [RWP] Running 32 bit plugs in Win7 64 with Reaper 64?


  Yes, windows 7 does care about audio jacks being plugged in , depending on 
  the sound card of course.  In fact, it's probably simply a sound card 
  behavior, but it is a increasing trend, now that we have smart jacks, 
  whether we want or need them or not. .
  When I first got my  64-bit system, it was set up for 5.1 audio output, and 
  I didn't know it.  I plugged one cable in to the front jack, to port 
  eloquence audio, and no signal was sent out.  I had a hell of a time getting 
  speech.  Finally, I figured out that the sound card refused to send audio 
  out the front pair, because I didn't also plug something into the back pair, 
  etc.  In other words, if you aren't going to plug in all the speakers 
  required for the current configuration, we deem that to be inappropriate, 
  and none of them will work.   In my opinion, that kind of crap doesn't add 
  anything to my party, just creates annoying hassles and disception.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
  To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
  Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [RWP] Running 32 bit plugs in Win7 64 with Reaper 64?


  > Win7 absolutely does care if you take the cable out. Or to be more 
  > accurate, it is set up for "jack detection," which you can turn on or off 
  > in the stupid proprietary control panel applet for whatever horrifying 
  > onboard chip you have.
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
  > To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:45 AM
  > Subject: Re: [RWP] Running 32 bit plugs in Win7 64 with Reaper 64?
  >
  >
  >> Thanks, Scott.
  >> I can't give up Waves Diamond and other classic 32 bit plug bundles, and 
  >> I sure can't afford to buy all new 64 bit versions.
  >> The I7 computer was a totally stable beast until this accident where 
  >> something unaccountable behind my desk tore a 3.5mm audio cable right out 
  >> of the jack, shorting out the jack and breaking the cable, which cause 
  >> all kinds of chaos among any program associated with speech.
  >>
  >> Windows 7 64 doesn't care if you plug or unplug any audio cable, like my 
  >> XP seems to.
  >> That makes me think the increased stability of Windows 7 64 might be 
  >> worth the hassle of dealing with using old 32 bit plugs.
  >> Think I'll also add another drive just for plugs and associated data, 
  >> with the operating system on its own drive.
  >> I got along fine with a single drive before; didn't think I needed more 
  >> speed in processing, but now I believe a multi-drive system might also be 
  >> more stable, and protect data from operating system issues.
  >> Thanks,
  >> Indi
  >>
  >>
  >> On 12/22/2013 1:23 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
  >>> Yeah, it's that simple to set up. The caveat here has been that some
  >>> of them seem a bit unstable. Tbh, I don't use a massive amount of
  >>> plugs beyond the bread and butter stuff that every mixer needs. The
  >>> situation could be different with synths and the other areas of VSTs
  >>> that are unexplored territory for me.
  >>>
  >>> Anyway, post back to let us know what works and what doesn't when you 
  >>> try it.
  >>>
  >>> Scott
  >>>
  >>> On 12/22/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
  >>>> Hi Scott and any others who run old plugs in Windows 7 64 bit,
  >>>> I hear that Reaper has its own bridging for old 32 bit plugIns, similar
  >>>> to J Bridge, and all you need to do is go to preferences VST and type 
  >>>> in
  >>>> the path to your folder where you keep your 32 bit plugs.
  >>>> Can running wonderful but ancient plugs under Win7 64 be that simple?
  >>>> Thanks,
  >>>> Indi
  >>>>
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