[RWP] my poise question again

Fri Aug 30 14:32:36 EDT 2013

Basically, try the 3 levels of access at your number pad. NVDA+5 to get 
the current level; NVDA+2 for burrowing inside of the currently selected 
object; NVDA+8 to go back a level, often takes me clear back to the desktop.
also use NVDA+7 to get a flat review; if available.
While you have a particular screen graphic, control, whatever selected, 
try NVDA plus numPad enter.
That is a very powerful move that can really get some action going when 
all else fails.
You can try NVDA+* star to move navigator object to mouse; then left 
click on the object, the same kind of emulated physical mouse that's in 
Jaws and Wineyes, but I usually don't get much advantage from it.
If I'm having a difficult time getting a graphic, or object, whatever we 
call it, to react, I try move to focus NVDA+-and NVDA+tab to try to get 
it in focus at the tab key.There's another one: NVDA and the numPad 
plus, but I can't get it to speak what it does right this second.

In other words, thoroughly explore all that's available at the number pad.
Actually, it's the same situation in jaws or wineyes, all kinds of 
underutilized power from routing to the number pad cursors of various kinds.
Wineyes has a wonderful feature that creeps the cursor around the screen 
by groups of pixels.
I use it to screen scrape; trying to land on hidden graphical buttons, 
and I often find them.
Wineyes has a very useful move, called something like next and previous 
item or some such term; not clearly defined what that grouping consists in.
It could be a graphic, or a word, or a number, some coherent group of 
screen info.
  It is somewhat like object navigation.
So far, I haven't found exact NVDA equivalents, but who knows, maybe 
it'll be in the next update?
Indi

On 8/30/2013 6:57 AM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
> I really don't know that much about object navigation.
> its something I am trying to learn about… I think I am missing out on a few tricks that could help me later.
>
> NVDA is very nice, and I find my self using it more so that JAWS these days. I am still learning it though.
> For what it is, it is pretty kick ass for a free screen reader
>
> On Aug 30, 2013, at 3:22 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I've not used Poise as much as you guys, but I reached all the unlabeled graphics with Window-Eyes mouse pointer, similar to jaws PC cursor, but I wouldn't rule NVDA out.
>> It also has some really powerful tools at its number pad.
>> It's a shame your HSC sets won't work in NVDA, but I'll bet it can get at those controls also, once you explore deeply in its object navigation.
>> The NVDA key plus numPad enter is particularly powerful, waking up everything when enter or mouse left clicking does nothing.
>>
>> Off this particular topic, but encourageing, I was able to configure Novation Nocturne Automap to Reaper's control surface by myself with NVDA, and it was a royal pain to do with Window-Eyes; requiring some sighted help; and NVDA easily reads the AutoMap invisible screen overlays that Window-Eyes can't see at all.
>> I don't even consider computing  without NVDA any more.
>> When you provide these hints how to reach controls with jaws PC cursor, I save those notes to try similar moves in NVDA, or jaws or Wineyes; if required.
>> Whatever tool it takes to get the job done, right?
>> Indi
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/2013 12:02 AM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>> I got it working. And it works with the auto hot key script. My problem was that I was working with in the NVDA environment instead of the jaws environment. I was able to assign a kick drum to pad one. I'm going to try to build an entire kit now. I don't know how we will be able to access layers, or key ranges. Maybe the developer of the auto hot key scripts will add some more keystrokes to a couple more of the buttons and we will be good to go. This is very promising, and I am super excited that this is finally working out.
>>> I appreciate everyone for the help that they have given me with this, and will continue to give. I feel like this community is getting things done.
>>>
>>> This is what a list is all about.
>>> Thanks again for the help.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:35 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, that's my bad. I shouldn't have said tab. I just went back in and did it
>>>> without my HSC spots. Here's what you do...
>>>> BTW I am running 1-1-50-57
>>>>
>>>> Insert the virtual instrument
>>>>  From the bridged window, invoke the Jaws cursor and route to PC
>>>> Go back to the PC cursor mode
>>>> Use your down arrow a few time. If you don't hear any of the labels, alt tab
>>>> away from the Poise window and then come back to Poise
>>>> Try down arrowing.
>>>>
>>>> Now you might hear show browser button, pitch button...
>>>> At each of these buttons if you simulate a right mouse click and sometimes
>>>> left mouse click you will get a menu.
>>>>
>>>> When you get to the pads,  do the right click and you will see all of the
>>>> awesome options available.
>>>>
>>>> This sounds complicated, but when you see all that is almost easily at your
>>>> fingertips you will understand why I said it's very close to being an
>>>> accessible app for blind folks.
>>>>
>>>> C'mon manI want to see you get this working.
>>>>
>>>> t
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
>>>> Productions
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:55 PM
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
>>>>
>>>> When I tab, I eventually get to a place where I hear nothing. Kind of like a
>>>> dead zone.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:18 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Using Jaws I was able to access the pads and other controls. I was
>>>>> able to tab through controls, not in any real order. When landing on
>>>>> the control using the Jaws cursor I could right click and access the
>>>>> menus. That was the case on other controls too.
>>>>>
>>>>> My main way of using this is through a quick HSC set  that I created
>>>>> to move to each pad and right click. I think Indigo uses NVDA so it's
>>>>> definitely doable.
>>>>>
>>>>>  From my perspective, Shannon is really close to making this a very
>>>>> accessible product. That is from a user perspective not in terms of
>>>>> the amount of coding that needs to take place.
>>>>> You never said if you have tried loading a sample kit. I think this
>>>>> would be helpful even in helping you to navigate the screen and
>>>>> figuring out the best method for interacting.
>>>>>
>>>>> t
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> time!
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
>>>>> Productions
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:53 PM
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm using NVDA, so I'm not able to see the pad even though he labeled
>>>> them.
>>>>> How are you doing that?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:19 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How are you first selecting a pad?  Are you using scripts or just the
>>>>>> version that Shannon put out where the pads are labeled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either way when you are on a pad you want to invoke a right mouse
>>>>>> click. I haven't tried the AHK script but the HSC spot that I created
>>>>>> I auto invoke a right mouse click to drop down the menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I use the available paste menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at a
>>>>>> time!
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
>>>>>> Productions
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:48 PM
>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been speaking with the developer, and I don't know if that's
>>>>>> going to work. I've tried it and it did not work on this end. Are you
>>>>>> using the mouse to click on the pad to paste it? If so, I can't seem
>>>>>> to get that to work either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think the plug-in allows control V to be passed through to it
>>>>>> that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:58 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what control L does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once the sample is pasted onto the drum pad, then you should be able
>>>>>>> to press the key  on your midi keyboard that triggers the pad. You
>>>>>>> will hear the sample. Of course, make sure your track in Reaper is
>>>>>> armed...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you been able to load a sample kit and play?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, while the sample kit is loaded go to pad 9 which more than
>>>>>>> likely is empty. Paste a sample there and see if it works. Just
>>>>>>> don't save
>>>>>> the kit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> #PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013 Supporting
>>>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at a
>>>>>>> time!
>>>>>>> www.pennypushups.org
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
>>>>>>> Productions
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:20 PM
>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried that, and the sample didn't play when I hit control L after
>>>> that.
>>>>>>> I wonder what's going on on my end. I'm pasting wave files as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 4:58 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The way I do this is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a separate Windows Explorer window, I navigate to the folder
>>>>>>>> containing my samples (The browser in Poise is not accessible) I
>>>>>>>> copy my desired file to the clipboard Switching back to Poise:
>>>>>>>> I navigate to the  desired drum pad and from the menu choose paste
>>>>>>>> Boom!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, let those golden Fingers go to work! Let me know if that helps!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> #PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013 Supporting
>>>>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at
>>>>>>>> a time!
>>>>>>>> www.pennypushups.org
>>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
>>>>>>>> Productions
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:02 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] my poise question again
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello list. I don't know if no one knows how to do this, or maybe
>>>>>>>> my message didn't get through.
>>>>>>>> Has anyone had any success loading samples into poise?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was talking to Shannon just yesterday about a possible solution,
>>>>>>>> and it didn't work. We are troubleshooting still trying to find
>>>>>>>> ways to fix some of the accessibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if anyone has had any luck loading samples into poise, please
>>>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>>>
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