[RWP] my poise question again

Goldfinga Productions goldfingas at gmail.com
Fri Aug 30 08:24:13 EDT 2013 

I understand how that part works, I also bought a MacBook Pro. It's kind of like interacting with elements on the screen on the Mac. I kind of liked that system. It helps you to understand how certain screens are laid out.

It works pretty well, but when it doesn't, I have to switch over to Jaws for Windows. It's all good though, whichever tool works for the job.
On Aug 30, 2013, at 7:32 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The easiest way to think of it is like boxes within boxes,
> going all the way out to the desktop.
>  
> Each object you navigate to could be a graphic, a piece of text, anything, which eventualy zeros in on what your wanting to look at.
>  
> For instance, a tool bar contains buttons or graphics you click on,
> the tool bar itself is an object but it contains other objects.
>  
> It's similar to windows with in windows, parent and child windows,
> like what your used to but on a much more detailed bassis.
>  
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Goldfinga Productions
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
> 
> I really don't know that much about object navigation.
> its something I am trying to learn about… I think I am missing out on a few tricks that could help me later.
> 
> NVDA is very nice, and I find my self using it more so that JAWS these days. I am still learning it though.
> For what it is, it is pretty kick ass for a free screen reader
> 
> On Aug 30, 2013, at 3:22 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> > I've not used Poise as much as you guys, but I reached all the unlabeled graphics with Window-Eyes mouse pointer, similar to jaws PC cursor, but I wouldn't rule NVDA out.
> > It also has some really powerful tools at its number pad.
> > It's a shame your HSC sets won't work in NVDA, but I'll bet it can get at those controls also, once you explore deeply in its object navigation.
> > The NVDA key plus numPad enter is particularly powerful, waking up everything when enter or mouse left clicking does nothing.
> > 
> > Off this particular topic, but encourageing, I was able to configure Novation Nocturne Automap to Reaper's control surface by myself with NVDA, and it was a royal pain to do with Window-Eyes; requiring some sighted help; and NVDA easily reads the AutoMap invisible screen overlays that Window-Eyes can't see at all.
> > I don't even consider computing  without NVDA any more.
> > When you provide these hints how to reach controls with jaws PC cursor, I save those notes to try similar moves in NVDA, or jaws or Wineyes; if required.
> > Whatever tool it takes to get the job done, right?
> > Indi
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/30/2013 12:02 AM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
> >> I got it working. And it works with the auto hot key script. My problem was that I was working with in the NVDA environment instead of the jaws environment. I was able to assign a kick drum to pad one. I'm going to try to build an entire kit now. I don't know how we will be able to access layers, or key ranges. Maybe the developer of the auto hot key scripts will add some more keystrokes to a couple more of the buttons and we will be good to go. This is very promising, and I am super excited that this is finally working out.
> >> I appreciate everyone for the help that they have given me with this, and will continue to give. I feel like this community is getting things done.
> >> 
> >> This is what a list is all about.
> >> Thanks again for the help.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:35 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Ok, that's my bad. I shouldn't have said tab. I just went back in and did it
> >>> without my HSC spots. Here's what you do...
> >>> BTW I am running 1-1-50-57
> >>> 
> >>> Insert the virtual instrument
> >>> From the bridged window, invoke the Jaws cursor and route to PC
> >>> Go back to the PC cursor mode
> >>> Use your down arrow a few time. If you don't hear any of the labels, alt tab
> >>> away from the Poise window and then come back to Poise
> >>> Try down arrowing.
> >>> 
> >>> Now you might hear show browser button, pitch button...
> >>> At each of these buttons if you simulate a right mouse click and sometimes
> >>> left mouse click you will get a menu.
> >>> 
> >>> When you get to the pads,  do the right click and you will see all of the
> >>> awesome options available.
> >>> 
> >>> This sounds complicated, but when you see all that is almost easily at your
> >>> fingertips you will understand why I said it's very close to being an
> >>> accessible app for blind folks.
> >>> 
> >>> C'mon manI want to see you get this working.
> >>> 
> >>> t
> >>> ---
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> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
> >>> Productions
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:55 PM
> >>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> >>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
> >>> 
> >>> When I tab, I eventually get to a place where I hear nothing. Kind of like a
> >>> dead zone.
> >>> 
> >>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:18 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Using Jaws I was able to access the pads and other controls. I was
> >>>> able to tab through controls, not in any real order. When landing on
> >>>> the control using the Jaws cursor I could right click and access the
> >>>> menus. That was the case on other controls too.
> >>>> 
> >>>> My main way of using this is through a quick HSC set  that I created
> >>>> to move to each pad and right click. I think Indigo uses NVDA so it's
> >>>> definitely doable.
> >>>> 
> >>>> From my perspective, Shannon is really close to making this a very
> >>>> accessible product. That is from a user perspective not in terms of
> >>>> the amount of coding that needs to take place.
> >>>> You never said if you have tried loading a sample kit. I think this
> >>>> would be helpful even in helping you to navigate the screen and
> >>>> figuring out the best method for interacting.
> >>>> 
> >>>> t
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> ---
> >>>> #PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013 Supporting
> >>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at a
> >>>> time!
> >>>> www.pennypushups.org
> >>>> ---
> >>>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
> >>>> Productions
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:53 PM
> >>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> >>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm using NVDA, so I'm not able to see the pad even though he labeled
> >>> them.
> >>>> How are you doing that?
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:19 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> How are you first selecting a pad?  Are you using scripts or just the
> >>>>> version that Shannon put out where the pads are labeled.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Either way when you are on a pad you want to invoke a right mouse
> >>>>> click. I haven't tried the AHK script but the HSC spot that I created
> >>>>> I auto invoke a right mouse click to drop down the menu.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Then I use the available paste menu.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> t
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> #PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013 Supporting
> >>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at a
> >>>>> time!
> >>>>> www.pennypushups.org
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
> >>>>> Productions
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:48 PM
> >>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I've been speaking with the developer, and I don't know if that's
> >>>>> going to work. I've tried it and it did not work on this end. Are you
> >>>>> using the mouse to click on the pad to paste it? If so, I can't seem
> >>>>> to get that to work either.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I don't think the plug-in allows control V to be passed through to it
> >>>>> that way.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:58 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> I'm not sure what control L does.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Once the sample is pasted onto the drum pad, then you should be able
> >>>>>> to press the key  on your midi keyboard that triggers the pad. You
> >>>>>> will hear the sample. Of course, make sure your track in Reaper is
> >>>>> armed...
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Have you been able to load a sample kit and play?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> If so, while the sample kit is loaded go to pad 9 which more than
> >>>>>> likely is empty. Paste a sample there and see if it works. Just
> >>>>>> don't save
> >>>>> the kit.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> t
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> #PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013 Supporting
> >>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at a
> >>>>>> time!
> >>>>>> www.pennypushups.org
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
> >>>>>> Productions
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:20 PM
> >>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question again
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I tried that, and the sample didn't play when I hit control L after
> >>> that.
> >>>>>> I wonder what's going on on my end. I'm pasting wave files as well.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 4:58 PM, "T.Reid" <treid99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> The way I do this is:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> In a separate Windows Explorer window, I navigate to the folder
> >>>>>>> containing my samples (The browser in Poise is not accessible) I
> >>>>>>> copy my desired file to the clipboard Switching back to Poise:
> >>>>>>> I navigate to the  desired drum pad and from the menu choose paste
> >>>>>>> Boom!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Now, let those golden Fingers go to work! Let me know if that helps!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> #PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013 Supporting
> >>>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at
> >>>>>>> a time!
> >>>>>>> www.pennypushups.org
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
> >>>>>>> Productions
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:02 PM
> >>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> >>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] my poise question again
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hello list. I don't know if no one knows how to do this, or maybe
> >>>>>>> my message didn't get through.
> >>>>>>> Has anyone had any success loading samples into poise?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I was talking to Shannon just yesterday about a possible solution,
> >>>>>>> and it didn't work. We are troubleshooting still trying to find
> >>>>>>> ways to fix some of the accessibility.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> So if anyone has had any luck loading samples into poise, please
> >>>>>>> let me know.
> >>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> GF
> >>>>>>> 
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