[RWP] FW: Reapers plug window always on top?

Fri Apr 19 06:08:15 EDT 2013

Right on Jim, that's the case, I'll check with 3 or 4 other plugs today and
let the list know, but sometimes 1 test on 1 or 2 machines just doesn't cut
it, hence why I asked the list, cheers Steve.

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-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Jim Snowbarger
Sent: 19 April 2013 04:03
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] FW: Reapers plug window always on top?

JAWS has a function you can call which indicates the state of a window, 
where in consults the control bits maintained by Windows itself.  that 
function reports that each window I have checked is obscured when the plug 
is open.  I think that means it is not totally hidden, but that part of it 
is under some other window.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] FW: Reapers plug window always on top?

> Steve,
>
> Just a thought, but have you gotten visual varification of this
> happening? Reason I ask is that, if it's screwing with things
> visually, it's the type of thing that would affect more than just
> accessibility, so chances are higher of getting it acknowledged and
> fixed in one shot.
>
> Scott
>
> On 4/19/13, Jim Snowbarger <Snowman at snowmanradio.com> wrote:
>> No, the problem he is referring to is that, if you open a plug that way, 
>> in
>>
>> a dedicated process, and then alt tab away to another application, you 
>> will
>>
>> find that application is only partially visible.  You aren't even focused

>> in
>>
>> reaper anymore.  But, the camned plug stays on top, obscuring, or 
>> partially
>>
>> obscuring all other windows, even outside of reaper.
>> Not a very compliant citizen.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] FW: Reapers plug window always on top?
>>
>>
>>> Well, in Reaper 32 bit; with Wineyes, Jaws, and NVDA; I've always 
>>> assumed
>>>
>>> we have 2 views; the track view with the tracks, of course, and the
>>> effects routing view; where I load new effects, find the effects
>>> parameters at the tab key and edit boxes at the arrow keys; plus I get 
>>> the
>>>
>>> native interface of the VST plug in effects routing view.
>>> When my wife looks at the monitor while I'm trying to find buttons and
>>> such on a plugs interface; she clicks on the same coordinates with her
>>> physical mouse as I do with Wineyes numberPad mouse.
>>> I can't really do much locating of graphical buttons with NVDA, so rely 
>>> on
>>>
>>> Wineyes for that.
>>> I believe I could probably find graphical buttons with Jaws also; since
>>> its PC cursor and jaws cursor at the numPad are very similar to what
>>> Wineyes sees there.
>>> I just haven't had enough experience with it to make it quick for me.
>>> This is all true with ReaAccess loaded,of course.
>>> When my sighted son runs Reaper, without ReaAccess, he sees only a 
>>> single
>>>
>>> vieww, with tracks and the plugin's interface on the same screen, and 
>>> has
>>>
>>> no idea what I'm talking about when I refer to track view or effects
>>> routing view.
>>> Maybe this is what you are referring to when you say that a plug's 
>>> screen
>>>
>>> is always on top?
>>> ReaAccess is splitting the views into track and effects view for me.
>>> In 64 bit Reaper, with NVDA; I get those same track and effects views.
>>> No version of Window-Eyes that I've tried has run any version of 64 bit
>>> Reaper so far, so can't speak about that.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2013 6:43 AM, Steve Spamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Steve Spamer [mailto:steve at crustysocks.com]
>>>> Sent: 17 April 2013 12:15
>>>> To: 'Reapers Without Peepers'; 'midimag at midimag.org'
>>>> Subject: Reapers plug window always on top?
>>>>
>>>> Hi, sorry for the cross posting. For all users of Reaper, does anyone
>>>> know...or even aware, that whenever a plug is open when using the "in
>>>> dedicated process per plugin" option in the compatibility preferences,
>>>> that
>>>> window actually stays on top of every other window, no matter what? 
>>>> This
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> a necessary step to take for any accessibility solution, as the
>>>> screenreader
>>>> needs to be able to access the window, without it the window seems to
>>>> float
>>>> in the Reaper UI.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm trying to find out if there's any other configuration that can
>>>> be
>>>> done to stop this window taking over everything.  It seems odd, as if a
>>>> sighted user had it set up this way, they couldn't use anything else
>>>> without
>>>> shutting that window down and reopening it all of the time, they 
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>
>>>> be
>>>> able to see any other window.  So, anyone any ideas?  This is
>>>> interfereing
>>>> with Jaws and it's not really efficient to open and reopen all of the
>>>> time,
>>>> but perhaps it's going to be a necessary evil of using plugs with
>>>> Reaper.
>>>> I'm not that up on Reaper and could very easily be way off here, so if
>>>> there's more experienced users out there, please give me your input.
>>>> BTW, I
>>>> posted on the Cockos forum, but not heard anything, cheers Steve.
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