[RWP] accessable efects vst's?

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Oct 31 14:18:26 EDT 2012 

Yup, just plain redneck stubbornness.

Click, click, cuss, and click somemore.

and eventually I find everything.

Sometimes I use sniffer tools, both hsc and ahk both come with some which 
can find tool tips and program controls, etc.

It's a pain in the ass.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?


> I've been meaning to ask; when you say you used Window-Eyes to discover 
> over 200 spots in Session Drummer or SFZ, whichever it was, are you doing 
> anything different from just slowly probing the screen for icons at the 
> numPad and repeatedly left clicking?
> I do that sometimes, when there's no sighted help around, but it's a 
> tedious thing.
> I might hear Graphic, but not always when I move the mouse pointer across 
> an icon.
> Sometimes, in Reaper and FM8, Absynth,and other heavily bit map plugs, and 
> I'm using numpad insert and the plus key to look for the next screen item, 
> there are those mysterious silent points on the screen among continuous 
> rows of graphic, graphic, graphic, and I know there's something at that 
> position.
> Actually, sighted help says there's nothing shown visually at that 
> position, not shown in Wineyes's off screen modeling anyway, but there 
> actually is something there.
> I stop on that silent place, just right of the word disabled, meaning no 
> preset, and do my delta moves down then to the left; and that's where I 
> discover the preset inc/dec icons.
> The number of delta moves depends, 10 down and 10 left to hit the FM8 
> inc/dec preset buttons, sometimes 18 down, and 28 left, various distances, 
> for various plugs;but only a few plugs have a preset loader to the right; 
> or up and to the right.
> Some popular tool kit most of the programmers are using must put the 
> preset inc/dec buttons in that general area on the interface.
> .,
>
>
> On 10/31/2012 8:33 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> You can send keystrokes or strings.
>>
>> Menus's, no but that's just another way to group actions, the context
>> menus ahk can do are just made from functions of the plug-in groups
>> together and hsc has it's spot rings.
>>
>> More a convenience than anything else.l
>>
>> Color training and sending variables and script functions may be another
>> matter though.
>>
>> That's where ahk and hsc can shine.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>
>>
>>> I downloaded the latest version of hotSpot, and listened to most of
>>> the mp3 tutorial.
>>> I may have missed some more powerful features after I nodded off for a
>>> nap, smile, but GW Micro's HotSpot really just creates a standard
>>> Wineyes hot key, with a very easy to follow dialog structure, choosing
>>> the type of window, the actions, the shortcut.
>>> It will search for a string you enter, take a preset action, or string
>>> of actions, move the mouse by groups of pixels, my home made scheme,
>>> or jump to screen coordinates.
>>> All these things are mostly what one can do anyway, except jump to
>>> coordinates, but HotSpot seems nowhere near as powerful as AHK or HSC
>>> in penetrating the inner structure of plugs.
>>> It would suffice for getting a group of screen coordinates by sighted
>>> help, then creating shortcuts to them, but I didn't hear anything
>>> about forceing access at the tab and arrow keys when it is not there,
>>> forcing accessible menus to display, the things I have heard that HSC
>>> and AHK do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/30/2012 2:38 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>> it'll work with 32-bit don't worry.
>>>> cheers
>>>> Roy.
>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is Window-Eyes 7.5.4.1 I'm on right now, with NVDA, totally
>>>>> stable on this particular machine in 64 bit Win 7; but I've learned to
>>>>> hate the useless appsI've tried so far, so keep them all switched off.
>>>>> I guess I'll install this version on my XP daw and try its hot
>>>>> spotter, or will 7.5.4.1 and it hot spotter not work on 32 bits?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/30/2012 1:10 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> There is also window-eyes version of hotspot clicker called hotspot
>>>>>> which is fairly close to what hsc can do, but I think it might have a
>>>>>> ways to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can string commands together, click on invisible places on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> screen, all that sort of stuff, and ofcourse label graphics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes window-eyes is better at recognizing tool-tips, it was so
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I was doing those sessondrummer 3 ahk sets, it was tedious but I 
>>>>>> found
>>>>>> everyone of those 200 plus spots with window-eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it does like to you especially on the web 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David, I read about this feature of AHK, and think it can not only
>>>>>>> report coordinates, but is said to be able to search out and find 
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> map graphics, let you label them and return to them by name or
>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>> I think Jaws already does list bit map images by number, even before
>>>>>>> version 13's OCR feature, but Window-Eyes doesn't, just says graphic
>>>>>>> every time it encounters a bit map image on a screen.
>>>>>>> In Wineyes, you can label graphics, and then you can hear that text
>>>>>>> name when the cursor moves across it.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, Window-Eyes has always had these faults, 1 it
>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>> leaps the cursor over a screen graphic, like it has almost stepped 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> a poison snake, 2, sometimes it says nothing at all when you move 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> cursor across an important screen button, like the preset inc/dec
>>>>>>> buttons, and, 3, it often isn't actually aligned with the screen
>>>>>>> graphic when it says the word graphic, so clicks get no response.
>>>>>>> This, I think, is a problem of its off screen modeling.
>>>>>>> The screenreader doesn't actually show us what is on the screen, in
>>>>>>> its real position, but arranges screen info in what it thinks is a
>>>>>>> convenient arrangement for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought that AHK might provide a fix, if it can recognize and
>>>>>>> return
>>>>>>> to a graphic, and announces them when the cursor is actually aligned
>>>>>>> with the graphic, so that clicks work.
>>>>>>> Maybe AHK also can help in locating graphics or buttons in a new
>>>>>>> inaccessible bit map interface, so please let us know, David, if you
>>>>>>> learn how to use Windowspy to find non speaking screen buttons, 
>>>>>>> okay?
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/28/2012 6:59 PM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi & Greetings from Down Under
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not really sure if this is relevant but, AHK comes with a
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> program entitled WindowSpy, and enables the sighted person to
>>>>>>>> obtain the
>>>>>>>> co-ords required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this window, there are two sets of co-ords, I think the first
>>>>>>>> one is
>>>>>>>> called Relative Window, and the second set of co-ords come up in
>>>>>>>> the 'In
>>>>>>>> Active Window'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This second one had me confused at the start, because SA read it as
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> one word inactive, rather than the two words that it is ... in,
>>>>>>>> active.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW: There is a very extensive Help file that comes with AHK!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David P Shortland
>>>>>>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Snowbarger
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does AHK have the ability to reference it's coordinates against a
>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>> corner of a particular windows? Or, are they absolute screen 
>>>>>>>> coords.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:24 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, the vst windows aren't the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cordinates are different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone I think Gord, said it's just a matter of an offset, but we
>>>>>>>>> haven't figured it out yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit
>>>>>>>>> us at
>>>>>>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com
>>>>>>>>> or contact Chris Belle
>>>>>>>>> cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>> or Stephie Belle
>>>>>>>>> sdb1961 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>> for customized web design
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:59 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just curious, what about the AHK stuff doesn't translate? I'm not
>>>>>>>>>> familiar enough with any of your stuff, and have never really
>>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>>> using many plugins in Reaper that need such things. I'm mostly an
>>>>>>>>>> audio guy, and 95% of the plugins I use for processing and such
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> accessible enough using either their native interfaces, or the
>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess automated parameter list thingy. I've yet to really get
>>>>>>>>>> into the world of softsynths, where this is more of an issue.
>>>>>>>>>> Is it just that the coordinates no longer match up, even when the
>>>>>>>>>> plugin in question gets it's own window?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2012 6:16 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It's just too bad all the fine work that's been done for sonar
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> third party plugs won't translate to reaper, including my own
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>> with autohotkey.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This represents years of community effort, both paid nad free.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, advanced screen-reader skills ie using your mouse, and
>>>>>>>>>>> looking for
>>>>>>>>>>> tool tips, and finding those pesky places to load samples,
>>>>>>>>>>> impulses,
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever will be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doing reaper is like the wild wild west again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath"
>>>>>>>>>>> <khoath at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 1:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are all in the bundle you already got.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please make sure under vsp in preferences you set use generic
>>>>>>>>>>>> intrface
>>>>>>>>>>>> for vsts they are far more accessible this way.
>>>>>>>>>>>> also understand if you don't want to review cursor give up on
>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>> vsts now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, Kerry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2012 11:15 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hey all please can any one recommend individual or a sweet of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vst's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is completely accessible and has the following effects:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reverb and spring reverb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay and tape delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> filtering vst with all the regular filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit crushing and distortion effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor and multi band compressor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eq and multi band eq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tape warmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting efect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass enhancement effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some kind of arpagator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> step sequencer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if theres any more i think of i'll let you guys know i don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your help with this question would be most welcome kind 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trahern.
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