[RWP] accessable efects vst's?

[Indigo]

Here's the tutorial on HotSpot, for any who haven't heard it.
I think it's a nice clear tutorial.
It convinced me that it's easy to use, and the labeling they've done 
makes most choices obvious.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/diru6a

On 10/31/2012 11:38 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
> No, not the same, you can send actual keystrokes as a command to tab, or
> a combination, I know what your talking about, the cursoring menu, but
> that doesn't really work well for some macro features, believe me I've
> tried it.
>
> Hotspot improves on some of these features, and allows you to string
> hotkeys or commands together better, and also to chain spots.
>
> ou can do searches and such, this is part of window-eyes, but so is hsc
> part of jaws and they both use the embedded features of each screen-reader.
>
> You'll have to actually do somethingwith them both to understand what
> I'm telling you, just reading it won't let you understand really.
>
> But I do think hsc is further ahead, as it should be, it's been out
> years longer.
>
> But I've done enough with hotspot to know it is a useful tool, and for
> many of our purposes on par with hsc.
>
> But ahk is better than them both in some ways, but you need some
> rudimentary programming skills to really make that shine.
>
> Get busy with those examples and try some stuff, you'll get it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>
>
>> Sending key strokes is one of the standard Wineyes hot keys, and you
>> could trigger strings of characters to be read; with hyperactive
>> windows, way back in version 3 something.
>> You could strings groups of actions then also, by having a hyperactive
>> window trigger another hyperactive window; which in turn, triggers
>> another hyperactive window.
>> Wineyes HotKey is easy, because it's all old familiar stuff, but it is
>> limited compared to AHK.
>> No reason not to use both, as long as there are enough shortcuts to go
>> around.
>> I wonder if AHK can use caps lock or accent grave as a shortcut
>> modifier key, or use the right and left shift keys as separate
>> modifier keys?
>>
>>
>> On 10/31/2012 8:33 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> You can send keystrokes or strings.
>>>
>>> Menus's, no but that's just another way to group actions, the context
>>> menus ahk can do are just made from functions of the plug-in groups
>>> together and hsc has it's spot rings.
>>>
>>> More a convenience than anything else.l
>>>
>>> Color training and sending variables and script functions may be another
>>> matter though.
>>>
>>> That's where ahk and hsc can shine.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the latest version of hotSpot, and listened to most of
>>>> the mp3 tutorial.
>>>> I may have missed some more powerful features after I nodded off for a
>>>> nap, smile, but GW Micro's HotSpot really just creates a standard
>>>> Wineyes hot key, with a very easy to follow dialog structure, choosing
>>>> the type of window, the actions, the shortcut.
>>>> It will search for a string you enter, take a preset action, or string
>>>> of actions, move the mouse by groups of pixels, my home made scheme,
>>>> or jump to screen coordinates.
>>>> All these things are mostly what one can do anyway, except jump to
>>>> coordinates, but HotSpot seems nowhere near as powerful as AHK or HSC
>>>> in penetrating the inner structure of plugs.
>>>> It would suffice for getting a group of screen coordinates by sighted
>>>> help, then creating shortcuts to them, but I didn't hear anything
>>>> about forceing access at the tab and arrow keys when it is not there,
>>>> forcing accessible menus to display, the things I have heard that HSC
>>>> and AHK do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/30/2012 2:38 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> it'll work with 32-bit don't worry.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is Window-Eyes 7.5.4.1 I'm on right now, with NVDA, totally
>>>>>> stable on this particular machine in 64 bit Win 7; but I've
>>>>>> learned to
>>>>>> hate the useless appsI've tried so far, so keep them all switched
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>> I guess I'll install this version on my XP daw and try its hot
>>>>>> spotter, or will 7.5.4.1 and it hot spotter not work on 32 bits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/30/2012 1:10 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>> There is also window-eyes version of hotspot clicker called hotspot
>>>>>>> which is fairly close to what hsc can do, but I think it might
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> ways to go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can string commands together, click on invisible places
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> screen, all that sort of stuff, and ofcourse label graphics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sometimes window-eyes is better at recognizing tool-tips, it was so
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> I was doing those sessondrummer 3 ahk sets, it was tedious but I
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> everyone of those 200 plus spots with window-eyes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it does like to you especially on the web 'grin'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:18 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David, I read about this feature of AHK, and think it can not only
>>>>>>>> report coordinates, but is said to be able to search out and
>>>>>>>> find bit
>>>>>>>> map graphics, let you label them and return to them by name or
>>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>> I think Jaws already does list bit map images by number, even
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> version 13's OCR feature, but Window-Eyes doesn't, just says
>>>>>>>> graphic
>>>>>>>> every time it encounters a bit map image on a screen.
>>>>>>>> In Wineyes, you can label graphics, and then you can hear that text
>>>>>>>> name when the cursor moves across it.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, Window-Eyes has always had these faults, 1 it
>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>> leaps the cursor over a screen graphic, like it has almost
>>>>>>>> stepped on
>>>>>>>> a poison snake, 2, sometimes it says nothing at all when you
>>>>>>>> move the
>>>>>>>> cursor across an important screen button, like the preset inc/dec
>>>>>>>> buttons, and, 3, it often isn't actually aligned with the screen
>>>>>>>> graphic when it says the word graphic, so clicks get no response.
>>>>>>>> This, I think, is a problem of its off screen modeling.
>>>>>>>> The screenreader doesn't actually show us what is on the screen, in
>>>>>>>> its real position, but arranges screen info in what it thinks is a
>>>>>>>> convenient arrangement for us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought that AHK might provide a fix, if it can recognize and
>>>>>>>> return
>>>>>>>> to a graphic, and announces them when the cursor is actually
>>>>>>>> aligned
>>>>>>>> with the graphic, so that clicks work.
>>>>>>>> Maybe AHK also can help in locating graphics or buttons in a new
>>>>>>>> inaccessible bit map interface, so please let us know, David, if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> learn how to use Windowspy to find non speaking screen buttons,
>>>>>>>> okay?
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2012 6:59 PM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi & Greetings from Down Under
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not really sure if this is relevant but, AHK comes with a
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>> program entitled WindowSpy, and enables the sighted person to
>>>>>>>>> obtain the
>>>>>>>>> co-ords required.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this window, there are two sets of co-ords, I think the first
>>>>>>>>> one is
>>>>>>>>> called Relative Window, and the second set of co-ords come up in
>>>>>>>>> the 'In
>>>>>>>>> Active Window'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This second one had me confused at the start, because SA read
>>>>>>>>> it as
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> one word inactive, rather than the two words that it is ... in,
>>>>>>>>> active.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW: There is a very extensive Help file that comes with AHK!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David P Shortland
>>>>>>>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Snowbarger
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does AHK have the ability to reference it's coordinates against a
>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>> corner of a particular windows? Or, are they absolute screen
>>>>>>>>> coords.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:24 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the vst windows aren't the same.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The cordinates are different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone I think Gord, said it's just a matter of an offset,
>>>>>>>>>> but we
>>>>>>>>>> haven't figured it out yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training,
>>>>>>>>>> visit
>>>>>>>>>> us at
>>>>>>>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com
>>>>>>>>>> or contact Chris Belle
>>>>>>>>>> cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>>> or Stephie Belle
>>>>>>>>>> sdb1961 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>>> for customized web design
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just curious, what about the AHK stuff doesn't translate? I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> familiar enough with any of your stuff, and have never really
>>>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>>>> using many plugins in Reaper that need such things. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> mostly an
>>>>>>>>>>> audio guy, and 95% of the plugins I use for processing and such
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> accessible enough using either their native interfaces, or the
>>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess automated parameter list thingy. I've yet to really
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> into the world of softsynths, where this is more of an issue.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it just that the coordinates no longer match up, even when
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> plugin in question gets it's own window?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2012 6:16 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just too bad all the fine work that's been done for sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> third party plugs won't translate to reaper, including my own
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>> with autohotkey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This represents years of community effort, both paid nad free.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, advanced screen-reader skills ie using your mouse, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for
>>>>>>>>>>>> tool tips, and finding those pesky places to load samples,
>>>>>>>>>>>> impulses,
>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever will be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doing reaper is like the wild wild west again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <khoath at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 1:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are all in the bundle you already got.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please make sure under vsp in preferences you set use generic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrface
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for vsts they are far more accessible this way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also understand if you don't want to review cursor give up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vsts now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, Kerry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2012 11:15 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hey all please can any one recommend individual or a sweet of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vst's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is completely accessible and has the following effects:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reverb and spring reverb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay and tape delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filtering vst with all the regular filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit crushing and distortion effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor and multi band compressor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eq and multi band eq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tape warmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting efect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass enhancement effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some kind of arpagator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step sequencer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if theres any more i think of i'll let you guys know i don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your help with this question would be most welcome kind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trahern.
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