[RWP] accessable efects vst's?

Wed Oct 31 11:38:36 EDT 2012

No, not the same, you can send actual keystrokes as a command to tab, or a 
combination, I know what your talking about, the cursoring menu, but that 
doesn't really work well for some macro features, believe me I've tried it.

Hotspot improves on some of these features, and allows you to string hotkeys 
or commands together better, and also to chain spots.

ou can do searches and such, this is part of window-eyes, but so is hsc part 
of jaws and they both use the embedded features of each screen-reader.

You'll have to actually do somethingwith them both to understand what I'm 
telling you, just reading it won't let you understand really.

But I do think hsc is further ahead, as it should be, it's been out years 
longer.

But I've done enough with hotspot to know it is a useful tool, and for many 
of our purposes on par with hsc.

But ahk is better than them both in some ways, but you need some rudimentary 
programming skills to really make that shine.

Get busy with those examples and try some stuff, you'll get it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?

> Sending key strokes is one of the standard Wineyes hot keys, and you could 
> trigger strings of characters to be read; with hyperactive windows, way 
> back in version 3 something.
> You could strings groups of actions then also, by having a hyperactive 
> window trigger another hyperactive window; which in turn, triggers another 
> hyperactive window.
> Wineyes HotKey is easy, because it's all old familiar stuff, but it is 
> limited compared to AHK.
> No reason not to use both, as long as there are enough shortcuts to go 
> around.
> I wonder if AHK can use caps lock or accent grave as a shortcut modifier 
> key, or use the right and left shift keys as separate modifier keys?
>
>
> On 10/31/2012 8:33 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> You can send keystrokes or strings.
>>
>> Menus's, no but that's just another way to group actions, the context
>> menus ahk can do are just made from functions of the plug-in groups
>> together and hsc has it's spot rings.
>>
>> More a convenience than anything else.l
>>
>> Color training and sending variables and script functions may be another
>> matter though.
>>
>> That's where ahk and hsc can shine.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>
>>
>>> I downloaded the latest version of hotSpot, and listened to most of
>>> the mp3 tutorial.
>>> I may have missed some more powerful features after I nodded off for a
>>> nap, smile, but GW Micro's HotSpot really just creates a standard
>>> Wineyes hot key, with a very easy to follow dialog structure, choosing
>>> the type of window, the actions, the shortcut.
>>> It will search for a string you enter, take a preset action, or string
>>> of actions, move the mouse by groups of pixels, my home made scheme,
>>> or jump to screen coordinates.
>>> All these things are mostly what one can do anyway, except jump to
>>> coordinates, but HotSpot seems nowhere near as powerful as AHK or HSC
>>> in penetrating the inner structure of plugs.
>>> It would suffice for getting a group of screen coordinates by sighted
>>> help, then creating shortcuts to them, but I didn't hear anything
>>> about forceing access at the tab and arrow keys when it is not there,
>>> forcing accessible menus to display, the things I have heard that HSC
>>> and AHK do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/30/2012 2:38 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>> it'll work with 32-bit don't worry.
>>>> cheers
>>>> Roy.
>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is Window-Eyes 7.5.4.1 I'm on right now, with NVDA, totally
>>>>> stable on this particular machine in 64 bit Win 7; but I've learned to
>>>>> hate the useless appsI've tried so far, so keep them all switched off.
>>>>> I guess I'll install this version on my XP daw and try its hot
>>>>> spotter, or will 7.5.4.1 and it hot spotter not work on 32 bits?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/30/2012 1:10 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> There is also window-eyes version of hotspot clicker called hotspot
>>>>>> which is fairly close to what hsc can do, but I think it might have a
>>>>>> ways to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can string commands together, click on invisible places on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> screen, all that sort of stuff, and ofcourse label graphics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes window-eyes is better at recognizing tool-tips, it was so
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I was doing those sessondrummer 3 ahk sets, it was tedious but I 
>>>>>> found
>>>>>> everyone of those 200 plus spots with window-eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it does like to you especially on the web 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David, I read about this feature of AHK, and think it can not only
>>>>>>> report coordinates, but is said to be able to search out and find 
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> map graphics, let you label them and return to them by name or
>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>> I think Jaws already does list bit map images by number, even before
>>>>>>> version 13's OCR feature, but Window-Eyes doesn't, just says graphic
>>>>>>> every time it encounters a bit map image on a screen.
>>>>>>> In Wineyes, you can label graphics, and then you can hear that text
>>>>>>> name when the cursor moves across it.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, Window-Eyes has always had these faults, 1 it
>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>> leaps the cursor over a screen graphic, like it has almost stepped 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> a poison snake, 2, sometimes it says nothing at all when you move 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> cursor across an important screen button, like the preset inc/dec
>>>>>>> buttons, and, 3, it often isn't actually aligned with the screen
>>>>>>> graphic when it says the word graphic, so clicks get no response.
>>>>>>> This, I think, is a problem of its off screen modeling.
>>>>>>> The screenreader doesn't actually show us what is on the screen, in
>>>>>>> its real position, but arranges screen info in what it thinks is a
>>>>>>> convenient arrangement for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought that AHK might provide a fix, if it can recognize and
>>>>>>> return
>>>>>>> to a graphic, and announces them when the cursor is actually aligned
>>>>>>> with the graphic, so that clicks work.
>>>>>>> Maybe AHK also can help in locating graphics or buttons in a new
>>>>>>> inaccessible bit map interface, so please let us know, David, if you
>>>>>>> learn how to use Windowspy to find non speaking screen buttons, 
>>>>>>> okay?
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/28/2012 6:59 PM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi & Greetings from Down Under
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not really sure if this is relevant but, AHK comes with a
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> program entitled WindowSpy, and enables the sighted person to
>>>>>>>> obtain the
>>>>>>>> co-ords required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this window, there are two sets of co-ords, I think the first
>>>>>>>> one is
>>>>>>>> called Relative Window, and the second set of co-ords come up in
>>>>>>>> the 'In
>>>>>>>> Active Window'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This second one had me confused at the start, because SA read it as
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> one word inactive, rather than the two words that it is ... in,
>>>>>>>> active.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW: There is a very extensive Help file that comes with AHK!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David P Shortland
>>>>>>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Snowbarger
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does AHK have the ability to reference it's coordinates against a
>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>> corner of a particular windows? Or, are they absolute screen 
>>>>>>>> coords.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle"
>>>>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:24 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, the vst windows aren't the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cordinates are different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone I think Gord, said it's just a matter of an offset, but we
>>>>>>>>> haven't figured it out yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit
>>>>>>>>> us at
>>>>>>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com
>>>>>>>>> or contact Chris Belle
>>>>>>>>> cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>> or Stephie Belle
>>>>>>>>> sdb1961 at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>> for customized web design
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:59 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just curious, what about the AHK stuff doesn't translate? I'm not
>>>>>>>>>> familiar enough with any of your stuff, and have never really
>>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>>> using many plugins in Reaper that need such things. I'm mostly an
>>>>>>>>>> audio guy, and 95% of the plugins I use for processing and such
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> accessible enough using either their native interfaces, or the
>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess automated parameter list thingy. I've yet to really get
>>>>>>>>>> into the world of softsynths, where this is more of an issue.
>>>>>>>>>> Is it just that the coordinates no longer match up, even when the
>>>>>>>>>> plugin in question gets it's own window?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2012 6:16 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It's just too bad all the fine work that's been done for sonar
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> third party plugs won't translate to reaper, including my own
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>> with autohotkey.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This represents years of community effort, both paid nad free.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, advanced screen-reader skills ie using your mouse, and
>>>>>>>>>>> looking for
>>>>>>>>>>> tool tips, and finding those pesky places to load samples,
>>>>>>>>>>> impulses,
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever will be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doing reaper is like the wild wild west again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath"
>>>>>>>>>>> <khoath at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 1:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are all in the bundle you already got.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please make sure under vsp in preferences you set use generic
>>>>>>>>>>>> intrface
>>>>>>>>>>>> for vsts they are far more accessible this way.
>>>>>>>>>>>> also understand if you don't want to review cursor give up on
>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>> vsts now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, Kerry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2012 11:15 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hey all please can any one recommend individual or a sweet of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vst's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is completely accessible and has the following effects:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reverb and spring reverb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay and tape delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> filtering vst with all the regular filters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit crushing and distortion effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor and multi band compressor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eq and multi band eq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tape warmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting efect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass enhancement effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some kind of arpagator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> step sequencer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if theres any more i think of i'll let you guys know i don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your help with this question would be most welcome kind 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trahern.
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