[RWP] accessable efects vst's?

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Tue Oct 30 23:52:44 EDT 2012 

That double labelling is an excellent method  for labeling graphics, Jim.
I'll remember it and try it for sure.
  I have had someone looking over my shoulder while I moved the numPad 
cursor across certain fancy bit map icons, and it definitely leaps right 
over the icon, like it's allergic to them.
In FL Studio I have forced the cursor to freeze exactly on the icon by 
making  a user window 1 space wide and 1 space tall, then switching to 
that user window's number, then moving to another part of the screen 
towards the lower right corner; then doing the jump cursor to upper left 
screen corner shortcut, and when the cursor moves across  that tiny user 
window it's grabbed and locked inside it.
Technically, at that instant there's only 1 user window active, where 
the cursor belongs to be; but the mouse pointer, alias PC cursor, can be 
moved outside its proper window, until it crosses it, and it jumps 
inside it like iron filings onto a magnet.
Then an ordinary left click at the numpad triggers that elusive custom icon.
Yes, I could chain all those moves together to be executed from 1 shortcut.

Also, I got sighted proof that Wineyes spoken graphics are not always 
aligned with the program's icons; in Sony Acid Pro 6.
I could click on the spoken graphic all day with no response, my wife 
could click on it with the physical mouse and it responded instantly.
If she placed the Wineyes mouse pointer on the actual Acid icon, and I 
then left clicked on it myself, it responded.
She could see the coordinates where the icon was announced were near, 
but not right on the program's icon.
This is despite that Acid has tool tips that speak the purpose of icons, 
which was what I was hearing, but out of alignment with the Acid screen 
icon.
I had to use a Wineyes shortcut to creep the cursor a little this way 
and that until I got it insside the Acid  icon, then left click.
I had no way to jump to coordinates with a shortcut in those days.
That flaw, of graphic mis alignment; plus the leaping cursor, has been 
in every Window-Eyes version since 3.5, or so.
Thanks,
Indigo L

On 10/30/2012 10:34 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Indigo, this graphics skipping thing ... might that be caused by the
> fact that some graphics actually change when you put the mouse over them?
> So, you put the mouse on it, and label it. but, what you got was the
> version that appears when the mosue is hovering. When you are searching
> around, it doesn't have that same form.
> In jaws, I have learned to label the graphic twice, once with the mouse,
> and once with their invisible cursor, and with the mouse parked elsewhere.
> The seeming win-eyes flakiness might just be the vagaries of that
> transition, between a labeled, and an unlabeled state.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>
>
>> David, I read about this feature of AHK, and think it can not only
>> report coordinates, but is said to be able to search out and find bit
>> map graphics, let you label them and return to them by name or number.
>> I think Jaws already does list bit map images by number, even before
>> version 13's OCR feature, but Window-Eyes doesn't, just says graphic
>> every time it encounters a bit map image on a screen.
>> In Wineyes, you can label graphics, and then you can hear that text
>> name when the cursor moves across it.
>> Unfortunately, Window-Eyes has always had these faults, 1 it sometimes
>> leaps the cursor over a screen graphic, like it has almost stepped on
>> a poison snake, 2, sometimes it says nothing at all when you move the
>> cursor across an important screen button, like the preset inc/dec
>> buttons, and, 3, it often isn't actually aligned with the screen
>> graphic when it says the word graphic, so clicks get no response.
>> This, I think, is a problem of its off screen modeling.
>> The screenreader doesn't actually show us what is on the screen, in
>> its real position, but arranges screen info in what it thinks is a
>> convenient arrangement for us.
>>
>> I thought that AHK might provide a fix, if it can recognize and return
>> to a graphic, and announces them when the cursor is actually aligned
>> with the graphic, so that clicks work.
>> Maybe AHK also can help in locating graphics or buttons in a new
>> inaccessible bit map interface, so please let us know, David, if you
>> learn how to use Windowspy to find non speaking screen buttons, okay?
>> Indigo L
>>
>> On 10/28/2012 6:59 PM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>> Hi & Greetings from Down Under
>>>
>>> I am not really sure if this is relevant but, AHK comes with a little
>>> program entitled WindowSpy, and enables the sighted person to obtain the
>>> co-ords required.
>>>
>>> In this window, there are two sets of co-ords, I think the first one is
>>> called Relative Window, and the second set of co-ords come up in the 'In
>>> Active Window'.
>>>
>>> This second one had me confused at the start, because SA read it as the
>>> one word inactive, rather than the two words that it is ... in, active.
>>>
>>> BTW: There is a very extensive Help file that comes with AHK!
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> David P Shortland
>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Snowbarger
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:30 AM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>
>>> Does AHK have the ability to reference it's coordinates against a
>>> particular
>>> corner of a particular windows? Or, are they absolute screen coords.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, the vst windows aren't the same.
>>>>
>>>> The cordinates are different.
>>>>
>>>> Someone I think Gord, said it's just a matter of an offset, but we
>>>> haven't figured it out yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit
>>>> us at
>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com
>>>> or contact Chris Belle
>>>> cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
>>>> or Stephie Belle
>>>> sdb1961 at sbcglobal.net
>>>> for customized web design
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just curious, what about the AHK stuff doesn't translate? I'm not
>>>>> familiar enough with any of your stuff, and have never really tried
>>>>> using many plugins in Reaper that need such things. I'm mostly an
>>>>> audio guy, and 95% of the plugins I use for processing and such are
>>>>> accessible enough using either their native interfaces, or the
>>>>> ReaAccess automated parameter list thingy. I've yet to really get
>>>>> into the world of softsynths, where this is more of an issue.
>>>>> Is it just that the coordinates no longer match up, even when the
>>>>> plugin in question gets it's own window?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/26/2012 6:16 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> It's just too bad all the fine work that's been done for sonar with
>>>>>> third party plugs won't translate to reaper, including my own stuff
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> with autohotkey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This represents years of community effort, both paid nad free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, advanced screen-reader skills ie using your mouse, and
>>>>>> looking for
>>>>>> tool tips, and finding those pesky places to load samples, impulses,
>>>>>> whatever will be necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing reaper is like the wild wild west again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <khoath at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 1:36 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] accessable efects vst's?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are all in the bundle you already got.
>>>>>>> Please make sure under vsp in preferences you set use generic
>>>>>>> intrface
>>>>>>> for vsts they are far more accessible this way.
>>>>>>> also understand if you don't want to review cursor give up on many
>>>>>>> vsts now.
>>>>>>> regards, Kerry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/10/2012 11:15 AM, trahern culver wrote:
>>>>>>>> hey all please can any one recommend individual or a sweet of vst's
>>>>>>>> that is completely accessible and has the following effects:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reverb and spring reverb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> delay and tape delay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> filtering vst with all the regular filters
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bit crushing and distortion effect
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> compressor and multi band compressor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eq and multi band eq
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tape warmer
>>>>>>>> limiting efect
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bass enhancement effect
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some kind of arpagator
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> step sequencer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if theres any more i think of i'll let you guys know i don't mind
>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
>>>>>>>> trahern.
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