[RWP] And the Reaper access wiki is live

Tue Mar 27 15:48:54 EDT 2012

Well, you're right about that, that I don't understand object navigation.
I'll google for that cavicast 2011 archive on the subject.
Thanks,
Indigo L

On 3/27/2012 10:21 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> The simple fact is you don't understand object nav with NVDA. Also you
> can navigate using nvda to various objects, then use nvda+numpad star to
> route the mouse to the object nav location, this doesn't happen by
> default in NVDA as the object nav does not move the mouse cursor.
>
> Putting everything into flat review actually gives you less information
> on how the ap is layed out however it's one of those knee-jerk reactions
> many resort to when they've had the screen mashed by
> windoweyes/flaws/system excess.
>
> Basically object nav works just like it does on the mac except you are
> interacting at the bottom of the object tree, insert 8 to go up a level,
> 4 and 6 next and previous object. there's a cavicast on the subject if
> anyone cares in the 2011 archive, explains object nav well and shows usage.
> I haven't tried NVDA with reaper but will do so see how much of the
> interface is exposed.
>
> On 27/03/2012 4:50 PM, indigo wrote:
>> Okay, Jim, we'll say route the mouse cursor to the PC cursor, and right
>> > click, and keep Reaper screenreater independent.
>> Have you tried NVDA, though?
>> I dearly love its quickness, but feel half blinded by it's lack of
>> number pad screen information
>> When buttons that appear at the tab key or arrow keys fail to respond
>> to the enter key, in Window-Eyes; I have always instantly reach for
>> the number pad and click there, but so far can't do that in NVDA.
>> I find lack of response to enter key happening occasionally in Reaper,
>> also in Reason 6, with Window-Eyes.
>> Does that ever occur in JFW?
>>
>> I guess NVDA users in Reaper will somehow handle such issues themselves.
>> NVDA often makes up for lack of number pad info by reading more at the
>> arrows and tab key, though.
>> Thanks,
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/2012 10:03 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> Really, I think there is nothing terribly Window-eyes-ish about this.
>>> The WE cursur is just the screen reder taking over the mouse, which is
>>> exactly what the jaws cursor is.
>>> So, if you just said, route the mouse cursor to the PC cursor, and right
>>> click, I think you would have it.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] And the Reaper access wiki is live
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim, there's the little hassle about getting midi devices enabled in
>>>> Reaper's options/preferences.
>>>> Using my Window-eyes method; about arrowing to the device name, then
>>>> routing that to the pc cursor at the number pad, then finding the
>>>> device name at the number pad and right clicking it, then going back
>>>> to the arrow keys where you will find a configure device dialog.
>>>> You press enter on the configure dialog, then; go to the tab key, add
>>>> check marks to configure this device for midi messages, and sometimes,
>>>> configure this device for controller messages.
>>>> We have many Jaws users, so they're obviously enabling their midi
>>>> devices somehow.
>>>> It would be a real blessing for beginning Reaper users if you would
>>>> please go to that midi device edit box and write a neat method in Jaws
>>>> terms?
>>>> I am a beginning driver in Jaws 13 demo, but if it was a car I'd
>>>> advise everyone in my path to head for the hills! smile.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any idea how NVDA users are enabling midi devices.
>>>> I use NVDA every day for email, I'm on it this second, but I've yet to
>>>> get 1 little bit of screen information from its flat review.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/25/2012 9:40 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> This is a problem, creating directions that are screen reader
>>>>> independent. Frankly, if you choose to get right down to which key to
>>>>> press, that's probably impossible.
>>>>> And we don't really want documentation that is complicated by lots of,
>>>>> if you are using jaws, if you are using NVDA, if you are using
>>>>> blinkies
>>>>> bit blat, etc etc.
>>>>> That interferes with the flow of concept, which really troubles
>>>>> limited
>>>>> brains like mine.
>>>>> NVDA does have flat mode, which does give some limited ability to do
>>>>> mouse clicks on things. But, NVDA users know all about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, maybe if we just generalize those statements a bit, we can get
>>>>> around it.
>>>>> Indigo, As for your statements about limited time and energy, man oh
>>>>> man, can I relate to that in spades. I'm with ya, brother.
>>>>> And I have a great dog, a golden retriever who just had a bath. And, I
>>>>> have my priorities. <grin>
>>>>>
>>>>> But, I'm a jaws user. So, if you have some things you want me to
>>>>> review,
>>>>> and edit for generalization, I can sure put it in the queue here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] And the Reaper access wiki is live
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerry, I've been keeping my hundreds of notes and tips on running
>>>>>> ReaAccess as .txt text files, or .rtf files, with titles that mean
>>>>>> something to me, and hopefully others.
>>>>>> I'll try some basic getting started infos and learn how it goes with
>>>>>> the mark up language.
>>>>>> But, if I just don't have the time to post them in this exact markup
>>>>>> format, and still have time to make music, and take part in my family
>>>>>> life, I don't know what I'can do.
>>>>>> My tiny bit of energy is stretched very thin as it is.
>>>>>> I have been looking at Reaper and ReaAccess with Jaws, NVDA and
>>>>>> Window-Eyes, and I find there are places I don't comprehend how to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> a few of the basic things done in Jaws or NVDA.
>>>>>> For Example, When configuring one's midi interface, the word Enabled
>>>>>> must appear after the name of the midi interface.
>>>>>> Now I know very well how to get Enabled to appear while on
>>>>>> Window-Eyes, but I can't make out how it's done with Jaws or NVDA.
>>>>>> I'll put in my little procedure that works for Window-Eyes at that
>>>>>> basic configuration instance; and someone better at operating Jaws
>>>>>> will need to provide the details on how it's done in Jaws.
>>>>>> All you Jaws experts are running Reaper, so you must know how you got
>>>>>> your midi interface enabled, right?
>>>>>> Other than that single midi device configuration situation, I don't
>>>>>> find significant differences in what Jaws, Window-Eyes or NVDA sees,
>>>>>> at least with NVDA's tab key and arrows, though I can't get enough
>>>>>> information from NVDA because it doesn't have Jaws and Wineyes-style
>>>>>> PC cursor screen information available at the number pad.
>>>>>> And yet, Patrick Perdue uses NVDA exclusively in Reaper, and we have
>>>>>> System Access users as well.
>>>>>> So, I guess I'm saying that I had no idea wiki entries would be so
>>>>>> exacting, but I'll try, but if I can't get my entries in the wiki as
>>>>>> neat and in the exact format required, and expressed for all
>>>>>> screenreaders, and still manage to find time to make some music, play
>>>>>> with my dog, and the rest of life, I may need to zip up all my notes
>>>>>> on running Reaper and send them to someone who has more wiki talents
>>>>>> to post them than I do
>>>>>> Or, I'll post them zipped on SendSpace, and insert a link in our
>>>>>> wiki,
>>>>>> or or in pages on a friend's FaceBook, for anyone to use them as they
>>>>>> please.
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/25/2012 6:20 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:
>>>>>>> This is a note to say that the Reaper access wiki is live and ready
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> people to start editing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It can be found at
>>>>>>> http://www.cucat.org/reacwiki
>>>>>>> The edit password is reaper in lowercase and just as soon as I
>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>>> out how to create a page with this information I'll link to the
>>>>>>> passwored page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Editing is relatively easy, here is a really quick summary but you
>>>>>>> really should read the basic editing guide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lines that start with spaces like this are pre-formatted text and
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not be wrapped.
>>>>>>> Note you'll need to read by character or set punctuation to
>>>>>>> most/all to
>>>>>>> see the following:
>>>>>>> !heading this is a level 1
>>>>>>> !!this is a level 2
>>>>>>> !!!this is a level 3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * this is the first item in an unordered list
>>>>>>> * this is the second item.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # this is item 1 in a numbered list
>>>>>>> # This is item 2 in a numbered list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> double backslash \\ will insert a line break.
>>>>>>> A bare URL like
>>>>>>> http://www.reaccess.com/ will link off to another website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [[http://www.reaccess.com/|reaccess homepage]]
>>>>>>> puts the link in and changes the link text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To create a new page put something in like
>>>>>>> [[Getting started with Reaper]]
>>>>>>> a questionmark will show up next to the link after save, hit
>>>>>>> enter to
>>>>>>> create the new page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please put your names on edits or I'll have to make author names
>>>>>>> manditory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope we all find this resource useful. If this really takes off
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> happy to either buy a domain or change pointers to the wiki or tar
>>>>>>> it up
>>>>>>> for someone else to host.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to add links to Cavi's reaper presentations if people think
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> belongs on the wiki, CAVI did 3 presentations on how to get started
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> Reaper 3.77 and reaccess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards, Kerry.
>>>>>>>
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