[RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.

[Jim Snowbarger]

A little concern about using auto HotKeys for finding graphical items. 
Granted, stuf that works, howevef slowly, is better than stuff that doesn't 
work at all.
But, that process, searching for a pixel pattern,  has the risk of being 
painfully slow.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Shtupler" <shtupler at 013.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.


> will soon give it a listen.
> am also slowly learning Auto Hotkeys
> thanks a bunch
> Roy..
> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.
>
>
>> I've thought about what a good way to enhance ReaAccess with Auto Hot 
>> Keys would be.
>> Someone mentioned the constant hassle trying to get any scripts that 
>> employ screen coordinates to work on different computers.
>> I remember years ago that Auto Hot Key in its advanced settings has the 
>> ability to scan a screen for bit map buttons and icons, in other words 
>> objects, and catalog them by pixel pattern.
>> Of course, it doesn't know what they do, but you can write a comment in 
>> the catalog for each bit map image.
>> When, with experimentation, or sighted help, we discover their actions, 
>> we can write in meaningful titles.
>> The nice part is that Auto Hot Keys does not expect to return to the same 
>> screen coordinates to find a button, it scans until it finds the same 
>> pixel pattern, like an OCR, so is independent of those fixed screen 
>> coordinates hassles.
>> I've been meaning to tackle learning Auto Hot Keys, but you know how the 
>> things we'd like to do stack up.
>> I don't know how the new OSC scripts will handle returning to and finding 
>> effects parameters, whether one would need to have inserted the effect 
>> and tweaked its parameters in a previous project session, or not.
>> Soon I hope to take a look at which actions Reaper 4.21 has ready to 
>> assign with OSC.
>>
>> As to the new Wiki, I'm relieved that Chris Smart has offered to take my 
>> pile of solutions, tips and tricks in .txt and .rtf files and arrange 
>> them into the wiki format.
>> Many of those tips are from you.
>> Please don't mind that I haven't kept attribution along with the tips, 
>> there are just too many.
>> Chris Smart is a very careful manual writer, judging from his work on the 
>> Tim Burgess Mackie Display Reader manual.
>>
>>
>> Oh, I meant to ask if you sprokn ze deutsch?
>> Did you hear the soft rap I posted on midimag.
>> Cheers,
>> Indigo
>> On 3/25/2012 5:12 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> maybe an easier method of updating/rewriting reaaccess would be using
>>> Auto Hotkey talking to Reaper thru OSC; the Auto Hotkey scripting
>>> language is fairly simple and you can generate an executable file from
>>> the project.
>>> best
>>> Roy.
>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Cc: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What advantages do we get with osc at present? I'm sticking to 3.78
>>>> until I have a compelling reason to do otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:36 PM, indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to implement the open a wav file in an external audio
>>>>> editor, in Options/preferences.
>>>>> Sonar has that; and Reaper also should have close integration with
>>>>> Sound Forge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, so far; in version 4.20, I've only checked out the main midi
>>>>> edits I'm working on at the moment, and looked with Jaws 13 demo,
>>>>> NVDA and Wineyes; to be sure that Roy's ctrl+up arrow still unlocks
>>>>> the Applications key menu.
>>>>> Up to 4.20, I've been habbily working in Reaper version 3.78 in XP.
>>>>> I did install version 4.15 on this ancient online machine, but only
>>>>> to be sure major features hadn't left me too far behind so I wouldn't
>>>>> be totally misinforming someone.
>>>>> But, with OSC here; I've got to try that.
>>>>> Tonight I'll download 4.21 and install it over my old friend, 3.78.
>>>>> Don't throw old installers away, just in case something gets broken.
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/24/2012 11:00 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> grin.
>>>>>> Yes, I know the feeling! If it's good ... dot dot dot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, did you ever think, maybe his selections aren't that good. 
>>>>>> <grin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, so far, can't make reaper just play the selected region in 4.21.
>>>>>> but, I sure di din 3.77. Still puzzling that one out.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:27 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That did seem much easier, Patrick, and he admitted toggling loop
>>>>>> onplayed the selected portion of the wave file, but only wanted to 
>>>>>> hear
>>>>>> it once, for some reason. smile.
>>>>>> If it's good, I like to hear it again, If it's good, I like to hear 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> again, If it's good, I like to hear it again, If it's good, I like to
>>>>>> hear it again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's good, I like to hear it again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's good, I like to hear it again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/24/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> Easier way to do it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Set repeat with control r, then make a selection in Reaper. As long 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> a time selection is active, it will loop that selection. There is
>>>>>>> probably an action that makes this more useful if you don't want a
>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:52 PM, indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was a proposed solution to the question: How to play a 
>>>>>>>> selected
>>>>>>>> part of a wave file in Reaper.
>>>>>>>> It's not saying you must close Reaper, then open Sound Forge to 
>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>> a part of a wave file, but play the file without leaving Reaper.
>>>>>>>> The instructions let you select a part of a wave file, pop into 
>>>>>>>> Sound
>>>>>>>> Forge without leaving reaper, play the file, then pop back into
>>>>>>>> Reaper and continue working.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Press ctrl+P to go to (Options> Preferences) and the very last
>>>>>>>> item is
>>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>>> of your choice; like your Sony Sound Forge.
>>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click ; will
>>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.
>>>>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+E will do the same.
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/24/2012 12:41 PM, david hindmarch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes, thanks I use sound forge but I also wanted to use reaper.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo"<33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"<rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:30 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm on this very area of learning in Reaper, so I googled the 
>>>>>>>>> Cockos
>>>>>>>>> forums for playing selected part of wave file, where users hit the
>>>>>>>>> forums for answers, where there's almost always somebody who 
>>>>>>>>> knows.
>>>>>>>>> Here's a snip of the forum with someone asking a similar related
>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>> It takes a bit of digging, but answers are in there somewhere; 
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> answer, how to get a wave file or selected portion of a wave file 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> play:, by taking it to Sound Forge or other wave editor:
>>>>>>>>> When you're are finished and close Sound Forge, the file 
>>>>>>>>> apparently
>>>>>>>>> reappears where it was in Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> snip:
>>>>>>>>> It's in (Options> Preferences) and the very last item is
>>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>>> of your choice... I have Sony Sound Forge
>>>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click (will
>>>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.. yes Ctrl+Alt+E will do 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> snip.
>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>> Quote::
>>>>>>>>> In Reaper v3.xx I could open a .wav file and edit it by
>>>>>>>>> double-clicking
>>>>>>>>> on the track.
>>>>>>>>> It would open in Audition 3 and I could edit it as needed.
>>>>>>>>> This doesn't work in v4, how do I select a track in Reaper 4 so it
>>>>>>>>> opens
>>>>>>>>> in Audition?
>>>>>>>>> Sidebar question -- I use Audition for only a handful of things:
>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>> pitch, change
>>>>>>>>> tempo, fade-in, fade-out, cut-copy-and-paste, save parts of .wav
>>>>>>>>> file to
>>>>>>>>> new wave
>>>>>>>>> file, fairly simple stuff. Does Reaper 4 do all of these things
>>>>>>>>> as well
>>>>>>>>> as or better
>>>>>>>>> than Adobe Audition? I would love to abandon AA and do all of my
>>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>> in Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> thanks...
>>>>>>>>> Nick Morris
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 11:50 AM
>>>>>>>>> so abandon it, and do it all in reaper.
>>>>>>>>> Nick Morris
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 11:51 AM
>>>>>>>>> and yes it does all of these things
>>>>>>>>> Veech
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 02:27 PM
>>>>>>>>> and yes it does all of these things
>>>>>>>>> ahh, but does it do them as well as AA?
>>>>>>>>> Nick Morris
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 02:38 PM
>>>>>>>>> as well if not better
>>>>>>>>> alanofoz
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 03:33 PM
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+E
>>>>>>>>> Johnnny-5
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 05:42 PM
>>>>>>>>> @Veech, I don't believe Reaper has a built in wav editor. you
>>>>>>>>> must have
>>>>>>>>> had Reaper
>>>>>>>>> 3.X setup to open AA.. It's in (Options> Preferences) and the
>>>>>>>>> very last
>>>>>>>>> item is
>>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>>> of your choice... Also I don't know anything about AA BUT I have
>>>>>>>>> Sony
>>>>>>>>> Sound Forge
>>>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click (will
>>>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.. yes Ctrl+Alt+E will do 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same.. Reaper
>>>>>>>>> can do alot of this but not quite as robust as a true wave editor
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> as AA and
>>>>>>>>> Sound Forge.. Hope this helps.. :-)
>>>>>>>>> -J-
>>>>>>>>> Veech
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 09:45 PM
>>>>>>>>> @Veech, I don't believe Reaper has a built in wav editor. you
>>>>>>>>> must have
>>>>>>>>> had Reaper
>>>>>>>>> 3.X setup to open AA.. It's in (Options> Preferences) and the
>>>>>>>>> very last
>>>>>>>>> item is
>>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>>> of your choice... Also I don't know anything about AA BUT I have
>>>>>>>>> Sony
>>>>>>>>> Sound Forge
>>>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click (will
>>>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.. yes Ctrl+Alt+E will do 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same.. Reaper
>>>>>>>>> can do alot of this but not quite as robust as a true wave editor
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> as AA and
>>>>>>>>> Sound Forge.. Hope this helps.. :-)
>>>>>>>>> -J-
>>>>>>>>> I don't recall setting v3.x to open AA, I think it must have done
>>>>>>>>> so by
>>>>>>>>> finding my
>>>>>>>>> XP default setting. I will play around with Reaper's .wav editing
>>>>>>>>> function, maybe
>>>>>>>>> it'll be good enough for my needs.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your response!
>>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 10:05 PM
>>>>>>>>> I don't recall setting v3.x to open AA, I think it must have done
>>>>>>>>> so by
>>>>>>>>> finding my
>>>>>>>>> XP default setting. I will play around with Reaper's .wav editing
>>>>>>>>> function, maybe
>>>>>>>>> it'll be good enough for my needs.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your response!
>>>>>>>>> If you were fine using audition before (however it ended up being
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> editor) why
>>>>>>>>> not just set it up again, it's just a few simple clicks my friend.
>>>>>>>>> OPTIONS> PREFERENCES> EXTERNAL EDITORS (scroll to bottom to find
>>>>>>>>> this)
>>>>>>>>>> ADD>
>>>>>>>>> Use browse button to locate your audition .exe in program files> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> That's it. Now to open audio item in audition (or whatever 
>>>>>>>>> external
>>>>>>>>> editor you wish)
>>>>>>>>> there are 2 ways (and yes they are different from reaper 3.x).
>>>>>>>>> You can
>>>>>>>>> either [CTRL/ALT/E]
>>>>>>>>> which I do not recommend as it doesn't give an option to open a 
>>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>>> (found this
>>>>>>>>> out just recently myself oops) or right click the audio item, 
>>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>>> "open items
>>>>>>>>> in editor" and choose "open item copies in audition" ... ofc you 
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> open the original
>>>>>>>>> in there as well if you wish.
>>>>>>>>> You know the rest... edit, then save and your audio item appears
>>>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>>>> the project.
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>> Veech
>>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 10:19 PM
>>>>>>>>> If you were fine using audition before (however it ended up being
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> editor) why
>>>>>>>>> not just set it up again, it's just a few simple clicks my friend.
>>>>>>>>> OPTIONS> PREFERENCES> EXTERNAL EDITORS (scroll to bottom to find
>>>>>>>>> this)
>>>>>>>>>> ADD>
>>>>>>>>> Use browse button to locate your audition .exe in program files> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> That's it. Now to open audio item in audition (or whatever 
>>>>>>>>> external
>>>>>>>>> editor you wish)
>>>>>>>>> there are 2 ways (and yes they are different from reaper 3.x).
>>>>>>>>> You can
>>>>>>>>> either [CTRL/ALT/E]
>>>>>>>>> which I do not recommend as it doesn't give an option to open a 
>>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>>> (found this
>>>>>>>>> out just recently myself oops) or right click the audio item, 
>>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>>> "open items
>>>>>>>>> in editor" and choose "open item copies in audition" ... ofc you 
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> open the original
>>>>>>>>> in there as well if you wish.
>>>>>>>>> You know the rest... edit, then save and your audio item appears
>>>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>>>> the project.
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>> That helps a lot, thank you. As good as AA is, I don't like it
>>>>>>>>> nearly as
>>>>>>>>> much as
>>>>>>>>> Reaper. AA is a resource hog and is unstable. It will lock up and
>>>>>>>>> crash
>>>>>>>>> after 30
>>>>>>>>> - 40 minutes which of course is very irritating. Reaper has never
>>>>>>>>> crashed on me,
>>>>>>>>> it is so streamlined and efficient. I would love to say goodbye
>>>>>>>>> to AA
>>>>>>>>> but it is very
>>>>>>>>> robust and does a lot of things really well. I just wish it were
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> stable.
>>>>>>>>> I think it will depend on the quality of pitch and tempo shifting 
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Reaper vs AA.
>>>>>>>>> If it is acceptable, then I'll put AA on the shelf. If not, then
>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>> follow your
>>>>>>>>> steps to use AA as my default wave file editor.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 12:01 AM
>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly new to reaper and I am using an external editor to
>>>>>>>>> transpose
>>>>>>>>> audio by
>>>>>>>>> semitones as I can't find a way to do it reaper without it
>>>>>>>>> stretching to
>>>>>>>>> retain the
>>>>>>>>> original tempo... unless I do it by alt dragging the item in the
>>>>>>>>> arrange
>>>>>>>>> window.
>>>>>>>>> This will produce a pitch shift with no stretching (if you
>>>>>>>>> deselect the
>>>>>>>>> stretch to
>>>>>>>>> tempo in item properties but it's not exact so fairly useless if
>>>>>>>>> I want
>>>>>>>>> to transpose
>>>>>>>>> a clip by a set amount of semitones. Frustratingly, the numeric
>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>> in item properties
>>>>>>>>> still stretches the audio even with the stretch option deselected. 
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> could probably
>>>>>>>>> do without the external editor if there was a way to shift audio
>>>>>>>>> clips
>>>>>>>>> by set musical
>>>>>>>>> amounts without the stretch.
>>>>>>>>> If you know a way, let me know please *hope*
>>>>>>>>> EricM
>>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>>> I can't find a way to do it reaper without it stretching to
>>>>>>>>> retain the
>>>>>>>>> original tempo...
>>>>>>>>> shift+9& shift+0 are the default keys I think, otherwise go in
>>>>>>>>> Actions> Action List, find actions "pitch item up (down) one
>>>>>>>>> semitone"
>>>>>>>>> and remap it to your favorite keyboard shortcut.
>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 07:38 AM
>>>>>>>>> shift+9& shift+0 are the default keys I think, otherwise go in
>>>>>>>>> Actions> Action List, find actions "pitch item up (down) one
>>>>>>>>> semitone"
>>>>>>>>> and remap it to your favorite keyboard shortcut.
>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid that doesn't work.... you change the pitch but the 
>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>> stays exactly
>>>>>>>>> the same length and so must be stretching/compressing :(
>>>>>>>>> xpander
>>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 11:14 AM
>>>>>>>>> Change the pitch of an item, and let it stretch?
>>>>>>>>> If you have not changed your shortcut keys;
>>>>>>>>> Shift + 5 steps up in semitones
>>>>>>>>> Shift + 4 steps down in semitones
>>>>>>>>> Not working from the numpad, btw.
>>>>>>>>> Or do like EricM suggested and go to Actions list, run the
>>>>>>>>> actions from
>>>>>>>>> there or
>>>>>>>>> set them up how you'd like.
>>>>>>>>> Actions> Action List, find actions "pitch item up (down) one
>>>>>>>>> semitone"
>>>>>>>>> and remap it to your favorite keyboard shortcut.
>>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 11:21 AM
>>>>>>>>> Change the pitch of an item, and let it stretch?
>>>>>>>>> If you have not changed your shortcut keys;
>>>>>>>>> Shift + 5 steps up in semitones
>>>>>>>>> Shift + 4 steps down in semitones
>>>>>>>>> Not working from the numpad, btw.
>>>>>>>>> Or do like EricM suggested and go to Actions list, run the
>>>>>>>>> actions from
>>>>>>>>> there or
>>>>>>>>> set them up how you'd like.
>>>>>>>>> yeah thx I have found it altho it's 5 and 6 not 4 and 5 :)
>>>>>>>>> xpander
>>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 02:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> Whoops sorry, right you are, shift + 5& 6 it is for the
>>>>>>>>> semitones. Now
>>>>>>>>> who messed
>>>>>>>>> my defaults... ;)
>>>>>>>>> ChickenPie4tea
>>>>>>>>> 08-21-2011, 12:39 AM
>>>>>>>>> I've never found an editor that cleans out background noise
>>>>>>>>> better than
>>>>>>>>> Audition.
>>>>>>>>> I keep it for that alone. I have even tried Ozone and it wasnt as
>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> as the built
>>>>>>>>> in adobe tool.
>>>>>>>>> vBulletin® v3.8.4, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/24/2012 7:39 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There is no known way to do this that Iam aware of.
>>>>>>>>>> Audacity can do this and is also multi-track, 2.0 with enhanced
>>>>>>>>>> accessibility has been released and is free and worth a look.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards, Kerry.
>>>>>>>>>> On 24/03/2012 7:21 PM, david hindmarch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Can any one please help. I want to play the selected part of a
>>>>>>>>>>> wave
>>>>>>>>>>> file in reaper just as you can do in sound forge and sonar.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of ways to select a portion of a wave file in
>>>>>>>>>>> reaper but I don't know how to simply play the selected area of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> file using a key command. I know that Alt plus space bar will 
>>>>>>>>>>> skip
>>>>>>>>>>> over the selected material and that it is possible to hear the
>>>>>>>>>>> selected material by pressing the set repeat key, but I only
>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>> hear the selected part of the file played once. If any one
>>>>>>>>>>> knows how
>>>>>>>>>>> to do this could they direct me to the right key command.
>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes David.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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