[RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.

[Roy Shtupler]

will soon give it a listen.
am also slowly learning Auto Hotkeys
thanks a bunch
Roy..
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.


> I've thought about what a good way to enhance ReaAccess with Auto Hot Keys 
> would be.
> Someone mentioned the constant hassle trying to get any scripts that 
> employ screen coordinates to work on different computers.
> I remember years ago that Auto Hot Key in its advanced settings has the 
> ability to scan a screen for bit map buttons and icons, in other words 
> objects, and catalog them by pixel pattern.
> Of course, it doesn't know what they do, but you can write a comment in 
> the catalog for each bit map image.
> When, with experimentation, or sighted help, we discover their actions, we 
> can write in meaningful titles.
> The nice part is that Auto Hot Keys does not expect to return to the same 
> screen coordinates to find a button, it scans until it finds the same 
> pixel pattern, like an OCR, so is independent of those fixed screen 
> coordinates hassles.
> I've been meaning to tackle learning Auto Hot Keys, but you know how the 
> things we'd like to do stack up.
> I don't know how the new OSC scripts will handle returning to and finding 
> effects parameters, whether one would need to have inserted the effect and 
> tweaked its parameters in a previous project session, or not.
> Soon I hope to take a look at which actions Reaper 4.21 has ready to 
> assign with OSC.
>
> As to the new Wiki, I'm relieved that Chris Smart has offered to take my 
> pile of solutions, tips and tricks in .txt and .rtf files and arrange them 
> into the wiki format.
> Many of those tips are from you.
> Please don't mind that I haven't kept attribution along with the tips, 
> there are just too many.
> Chris Smart is a very careful manual writer, judging from his work on the 
> Tim Burgess Mackie Display Reader manual.
>
>
> Oh, I meant to ask if you sprokn ze deutsch?
> Did you hear the soft rap I posted on midimag.
> Cheers,
> Indigo
> On 3/25/2012 5:12 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>> maybe an easier method of updating/rewriting reaaccess would be using
>> Auto Hotkey talking to Reaper thru OSC; the Auto Hotkey scripting
>> language is fairly simple and you can generate an executable file from
>> the project.
>> best
>> Roy.
>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Cc: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.
>>
>>
>>> What advantages do we get with osc at present? I'm sticking to 3.78
>>> until I have a compelling reason to do otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:36 PM, indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to implement the open a wav file in an external audio
>>>> editor, in Options/preferences.
>>>> Sonar has that; and Reaper also should have close integration with
>>>> Sound Forge.
>>>>
>>>> Well, so far; in version 4.20, I've only checked out the main midi
>>>> edits I'm working on at the moment, and looked with Jaws 13 demo,
>>>> NVDA and Wineyes; to be sure that Roy's ctrl+up arrow still unlocks
>>>> the Applications key menu.
>>>> Up to 4.20, I've been habbily working in Reaper version 3.78 in XP.
>>>> I did install version 4.15 on this ancient online machine, but only
>>>> to be sure major features hadn't left me too far behind so I wouldn't
>>>> be totally misinforming someone.
>>>> But, with OSC here; I've got to try that.
>>>> Tonight I'll download 4.21 and install it over my old friend, 3.78.
>>>> Don't throw old installers away, just in case something gets broken.
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/24/2012 11:00 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> grin.
>>>>> Yes, I know the feeling! If it's good ... dot dot dot.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, did you ever think, maybe his selections aren't that good. <grin>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, so far, can't make reaper just play the selected region in 4.21.
>>>>> but, I sure di din 3.77. Still puzzling that one out.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That did seem much easier, Patrick, and he admitted toggling loop
>>>>> onplayed the selected portion of the wave file, but only wanted to 
>>>>> hear
>>>>> it once, for some reason. smile.
>>>>> If it's good, I like to hear it again, If it's good, I like to hear it
>>>>> again, If it's good, I like to hear it again, If it's good, I like to
>>>>> hear it again,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's good, I like to hear it again,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's good, I like to hear it again,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/24/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>> Easier way to do it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Set repeat with control r, then make a selection in Reaper. As long 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a time selection is active, it will loop that selection. There is
>>>>>> probably an action that makes this more useful if you don't want a
>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:52 PM, indigo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was a proposed solution to the question: How to play a selected
>>>>>>> part of a wave file in Reaper.
>>>>>>> It's not saying you must close Reaper, then open Sound Forge to play
>>>>>>> a part of a wave file, but play the file without leaving Reaper.
>>>>>>> The instructions let you select a part of a wave file, pop into 
>>>>>>> Sound
>>>>>>> Forge without leaving reaper, play the file, then pop back into
>>>>>>> Reaper and continue working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Press ctrl+P to go to (Options> Preferences) and the very last
>>>>>>> item is
>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>> of your choice; like your Sony Sound Forge.
>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click ; will
>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.
>>>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+E will do the same.
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/24/2012 12:41 PM, david hindmarch wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes, thanks I use sound forge but I also wanted to use reaper.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo"<33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"<rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:30 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Playing a selected part of a wave file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm on this very area of learning in Reaper, so I googled the 
>>>>>>>> Cockos
>>>>>>>> forums for playing selected part of wave file, where users hit the
>>>>>>>> forums for answers, where there's almost always somebody who knows.
>>>>>>>> Here's a snip of the forum with someone asking a similar related
>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>> It takes a bit of digging, but answers are in there somewhere; like
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> answer, how to get a wave file or selected portion of a wave file 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> play:, by taking it to Sound Forge or other wave editor:
>>>>>>>> When you're are finished and close Sound Forge, the file apparently
>>>>>>>> reappears where it was in Reaper.
>>>>>>>> snip:
>>>>>>>> It's in (Options> Preferences) and the very last item is
>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>> of your choice... I have Sony Sound Forge
>>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click (will
>>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.. yes Ctrl+Alt+E will do 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> snip.
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>> Quote::
>>>>>>>> In Reaper v3.xx I could open a .wav file and edit it by
>>>>>>>> double-clicking
>>>>>>>> on the track.
>>>>>>>> It would open in Audition 3 and I could edit it as needed.
>>>>>>>> This doesn't work in v4, how do I select a track in Reaper 4 so it
>>>>>>>> opens
>>>>>>>> in Audition?
>>>>>>>> Sidebar question -- I use Audition for only a handful of things:
>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>> pitch, change
>>>>>>>> tempo, fade-in, fade-out, cut-copy-and-paste, save parts of .wav
>>>>>>>> file to
>>>>>>>> new wave
>>>>>>>> file, fairly simple stuff. Does Reaper 4 do all of these things
>>>>>>>> as well
>>>>>>>> as or better
>>>>>>>> than Adobe Audition? I would love to abandon AA and do all of my
>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>> in Reaper.
>>>>>>>> thanks...
>>>>>>>> Nick Morris
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 11:50 AM
>>>>>>>> so abandon it, and do it all in reaper.
>>>>>>>> Nick Morris
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 11:51 AM
>>>>>>>> and yes it does all of these things
>>>>>>>> Veech
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 02:27 PM
>>>>>>>> and yes it does all of these things
>>>>>>>> ahh, but does it do them as well as AA?
>>>>>>>> Nick Morris
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 02:38 PM
>>>>>>>> as well if not better
>>>>>>>> alanofoz
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 03:33 PM
>>>>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+E
>>>>>>>> Johnnny-5
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 05:42 PM
>>>>>>>> @Veech, I don't believe Reaper has a built in wav editor. you
>>>>>>>> must have
>>>>>>>> had Reaper
>>>>>>>> 3.X setup to open AA.. It's in (Options> Preferences) and the
>>>>>>>> very last
>>>>>>>> item is
>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>> of your choice... Also I don't know anything about AA BUT I have
>>>>>>>> Sony
>>>>>>>> Sound Forge
>>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click (will
>>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.. yes Ctrl+Alt+E will do 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same.. Reaper
>>>>>>>> can do alot of this but not quite as robust as a true wave editor
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> as AA and
>>>>>>>> Sound Forge.. Hope this helps.. :-)
>>>>>>>> -J-
>>>>>>>> Veech
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 09:45 PM
>>>>>>>> @Veech, I don't believe Reaper has a built in wav editor. you
>>>>>>>> must have
>>>>>>>> had Reaper
>>>>>>>> 3.X setup to open AA.. It's in (Options> Preferences) and the
>>>>>>>> very last
>>>>>>>> item is
>>>>>>>> where you setup Reaper to open a wave file in the wave editor
>>>>>>>> of your choice... Also I don't know anything about AA BUT I have
>>>>>>>> Sony
>>>>>>>> Sound Forge
>>>>>>>> setup to open wave file on double click or a right click (will
>>>>>>>> pop up a
>>>>>>>> menu) and
>>>>>>>> you can select open wav in audio editor.. yes Ctrl+Alt+E will do 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same.. Reaper
>>>>>>>> can do alot of this but not quite as robust as a true wave editor
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> as AA and
>>>>>>>> Sound Forge.. Hope this helps.. :-)
>>>>>>>> -J-
>>>>>>>> I don't recall setting v3.x to open AA, I think it must have done
>>>>>>>> so by
>>>>>>>> finding my
>>>>>>>> XP default setting. I will play around with Reaper's .wav editing
>>>>>>>> function, maybe
>>>>>>>> it'll be good enough for my needs.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your response!
>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 10:05 PM
>>>>>>>> I don't recall setting v3.x to open AA, I think it must have done
>>>>>>>> so by
>>>>>>>> finding my
>>>>>>>> XP default setting. I will play around with Reaper's .wav editing
>>>>>>>> function, maybe
>>>>>>>> it'll be good enough for my needs.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your response!
>>>>>>>> If you were fine using audition before (however it ended up being
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> editor) why
>>>>>>>> not just set it up again, it's just a few simple clicks my friend.
>>>>>>>> OPTIONS> PREFERENCES> EXTERNAL EDITORS (scroll to bottom to find
>>>>>>>> this)
>>>>>>>>> ADD>
>>>>>>>> Use browse button to locate your audition .exe in program files> OK
>>>>>>>> That's it. Now to open audio item in audition (or whatever external
>>>>>>>> editor you wish)
>>>>>>>> there are 2 ways (and yes they are different from reaper 3.x).
>>>>>>>> You can
>>>>>>>> either [CTRL/ALT/E]
>>>>>>>> which I do not recommend as it doesn't give an option to open a 
>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>> (found this
>>>>>>>> out just recently myself oops) or right click the audio item, 
>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>> "open items
>>>>>>>> in editor" and choose "open item copies in audition" ... ofc you 
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> open the original
>>>>>>>> in there as well if you wish.
>>>>>>>> You know the rest... edit, then save and your audio item appears
>>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>>> the project.
>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>> Veech
>>>>>>>> 08-19-2011, 10:19 PM
>>>>>>>> If you were fine using audition before (however it ended up being
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> editor) why
>>>>>>>> not just set it up again, it's just a few simple clicks my friend.
>>>>>>>> OPTIONS> PREFERENCES> EXTERNAL EDITORS (scroll to bottom to find
>>>>>>>> this)
>>>>>>>>> ADD>
>>>>>>>> Use browse button to locate your audition .exe in program files> OK
>>>>>>>> That's it. Now to open audio item in audition (or whatever external
>>>>>>>> editor you wish)
>>>>>>>> there are 2 ways (and yes they are different from reaper 3.x).
>>>>>>>> You can
>>>>>>>> either [CTRL/ALT/E]
>>>>>>>> which I do not recommend as it doesn't give an option to open a 
>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>> (found this
>>>>>>>> out just recently myself oops) or right click the audio item, 
>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>> "open items
>>>>>>>> in editor" and choose "open item copies in audition" ... ofc you 
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> open the original
>>>>>>>> in there as well if you wish.
>>>>>>>> You know the rest... edit, then save and your audio item appears
>>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>>> the project.
>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>> That helps a lot, thank you. As good as AA is, I don't like it
>>>>>>>> nearly as
>>>>>>>> much as
>>>>>>>> Reaper. AA is a resource hog and is unstable. It will lock up and
>>>>>>>> crash
>>>>>>>> after 30
>>>>>>>> - 40 minutes which of course is very irritating. Reaper has never
>>>>>>>> crashed on me,
>>>>>>>> it is so streamlined and efficient. I would love to say goodbye
>>>>>>>> to AA
>>>>>>>> but it is very
>>>>>>>> robust and does a lot of things really well. I just wish it were
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> stable.
>>>>>>>> I think it will depend on the quality of pitch and tempo shifting 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Reaper vs AA.
>>>>>>>> If it is acceptable, then I'll put AA on the shelf. If not, then
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>> follow your
>>>>>>>> steps to use AA as my default wave file editor.
>>>>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 12:01 AM
>>>>>>>> I'm fairly new to reaper and I am using an external editor to
>>>>>>>> transpose
>>>>>>>> audio by
>>>>>>>> semitones as I can't find a way to do it reaper without it
>>>>>>>> stretching to
>>>>>>>> retain the
>>>>>>>> original tempo... unless I do it by alt dragging the item in the
>>>>>>>> arrange
>>>>>>>> window.
>>>>>>>> This will produce a pitch shift with no stretching (if you
>>>>>>>> deselect the
>>>>>>>> stretch to
>>>>>>>> tempo in item properties but it's not exact so fairly useless if
>>>>>>>> I want
>>>>>>>> to transpose
>>>>>>>> a clip by a set amount of semitones. Frustratingly, the numeric
>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>> in item properties
>>>>>>>> still stretches the audio even with the stretch option deselected. 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> could probably
>>>>>>>> do without the external editor if there was a way to shift audio
>>>>>>>> clips
>>>>>>>> by set musical
>>>>>>>> amounts without the stretch.
>>>>>>>> If you know a way, let me know please *hope*
>>>>>>>> EricM
>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>> I can't find a way to do it reaper without it stretching to
>>>>>>>> retain the
>>>>>>>> original tempo...
>>>>>>>> shift+9& shift+0 are the default keys I think, otherwise go in
>>>>>>>> Actions> Action List, find actions "pitch item up (down) one
>>>>>>>> semitone"
>>>>>>>> and remap it to your favorite keyboard shortcut.
>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 07:38 AM
>>>>>>>> shift+9& shift+0 are the default keys I think, otherwise go in
>>>>>>>> Actions> Action List, find actions "pitch item up (down) one
>>>>>>>> semitone"
>>>>>>>> and remap it to your favorite keyboard shortcut.
>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>> I'm afraid that doesn't work.... you change the pitch but the audio
>>>>>>>> stays exactly
>>>>>>>> the same length and so must be stretching/compressing :(
>>>>>>>> xpander
>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 11:14 AM
>>>>>>>> Change the pitch of an item, and let it stretch?
>>>>>>>> If you have not changed your shortcut keys;
>>>>>>>> Shift + 5 steps up in semitones
>>>>>>>> Shift + 4 steps down in semitones
>>>>>>>> Not working from the numpad, btw.
>>>>>>>> Or do like EricM suggested and go to Actions list, run the
>>>>>>>> actions from
>>>>>>>> there or
>>>>>>>> set them up how you'd like.
>>>>>>>> Actions> Action List, find actions "pitch item up (down) one
>>>>>>>> semitone"
>>>>>>>> and remap it to your favorite keyboard shortcut.
>>>>>>>> bilsner
>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 11:21 AM
>>>>>>>> Change the pitch of an item, and let it stretch?
>>>>>>>> If you have not changed your shortcut keys;
>>>>>>>> Shift + 5 steps up in semitones
>>>>>>>> Shift + 4 steps down in semitones
>>>>>>>> Not working from the numpad, btw.
>>>>>>>> Or do like EricM suggested and go to Actions list, run the
>>>>>>>> actions from
>>>>>>>> there or
>>>>>>>> set them up how you'd like.
>>>>>>>> yeah thx I have found it altho it's 5 and 6 not 4 and 5 :)
>>>>>>>> xpander
>>>>>>>> 08-20-2011, 02:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Whoops sorry, right you are, shift + 5& 6 it is for the
>>>>>>>> semitones. Now
>>>>>>>> who messed
>>>>>>>> my defaults... ;)
>>>>>>>> ChickenPie4tea
>>>>>>>> 08-21-2011, 12:39 AM
>>>>>>>> I've never found an editor that cleans out background noise
>>>>>>>> better than
>>>>>>>> Audition.
>>>>>>>> I keep it for that alone. I have even tried Ozone and it wasnt as
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> as the built
>>>>>>>> in adobe tool.
>>>>>>>> vBulletin® v3.8.4, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/24/2012 7:39 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:
>>>>>>>>> There is no known way to do this that Iam aware of.
>>>>>>>>> Audacity can do this and is also multi-track, 2.0 with enhanced
>>>>>>>>> accessibility has been released and is free and worth a look.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards, Kerry.
>>>>>>>>> On 24/03/2012 7:21 PM, david hindmarch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Can any one please help. I want to play the selected part of a
>>>>>>>>>> wave
>>>>>>>>>> file in reaper just as you can do in sound forge and sonar.
>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of ways to select a portion of a wave file in
>>>>>>>>>> reaper but I don't know how to simply play the selected area of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> file using a key command. I know that Alt plus space bar will 
>>>>>>>>>> skip
>>>>>>>>>> over the selected material and that it is possible to hear the
>>>>>>>>>> selected material by pressing the set repeat key, but I only
>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>> hear the selected part of the file played once. If any one
>>>>>>>>>> knows how
>>>>>>>>>> to do this could they direct me to the right key command.
>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes David.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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