[RWP] Freeware VST's

Sat Mar 17 13:35:18 EDT 2012

Hi Indigo,
thanks a lot for the vsts. One thing though. Why do I have to create a 
send from the midi track to the vst one, can't I just add the vst to the 
midi track by hitting the letter f and adding the effect this way?
Best regards,
Gianluca
SkypeID: gianluca8815

Il 17/03/2012 16:22, indigo ha scritto:
> Gianluca, for starts, here are 3 classic electric piano demo VST's.
> You only get a nag screen with a plea to buy them, which we will when 
> we make money from our music,  otherwise they are  full functioning.
> They are freely distributed; and all over the web for download
> I'll put other similar freeware up later.
> Indigo L
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63003631/MrRay%2C%20MrRay73%20and%20MrTramp%20VST.zip 
>
>
>
> On 3/17/2012 4:32 AM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>> Hi Indigo and list,
>> I always render files as flac via the regular render dialog accessed
>> using alt+ctrl+r and never had problems with them, and all the mp3 I
>> created played just fine. I work mostly with audio though, because with
>> midi I can't manage to convert them to audio cause I don't have any good
>> sounding vst and as far as I know you can't convert midi to audio using
>> the midi output thing. Btw if anybody wants to add me, my skype id is
>> gianluca8815.
>> Best regards,
>> Gianluca from Italy
>>
>>
>> Il 17/03/2012 03:28, indigo ha scritto:
>>> Scott, please don't switch to any of my work flows, which don't flow
>>> very well yet!
>>> I'm just a beginner, discovering as I go, no users guide yet for
>>> Reaper with ReaAccess.
>>> I keep notes on whatever I find, and on whatever anyone else says, and
>>> I'm hoping for a Wikki style users guide, so others can do edits and
>>> simplify my over complicated methods. smile.
>>> I did try rendering into several formats; like I thought I'd reduce
>>> the 80 meg .wav file by half by rendering to flack, but Reaper has
>>> some peculiar ways of doing things, as you know.
>>> To get a .flack file and not just a .flk.rpp file, which won't play in
>>> anyone's Winamp, I had to choose render custom, instead of render
>>> entire project.
>>> But, the end time for the custom setting seems to stop at a loop point
>>> in the midi file I was using, so my flack render suddenly cut off
>>> before the actual end of project.
>>> I had measures, beats selected in my project settings, but in the
>>> render dialog I only got the project length displayed in minutes 
>>> seconds.
>>> So, I'd need to look at the minutes/seconds end time of the rendering
>>> of the entire project, jot down that figure;then render custom and
>>> type in the project lentth in minutes/seconds; then I assume I would
>>> have got the whole track into flack
>>> I'm hoping there easier ways to do these things I haven't discovered 
>>> yet.
>>> I don't really understand why ; if I set my Project settings to
>>> measures, beats,why isn't that setting reflected in all Reaper dialogs?
>>> Also, other peculiar things, when I tried to render to MP3, Reaper
>>> went through the process, and produced a .mp3 file, which wouldn't
>>> play in Winamp.
>>> I tried again, and Reaper announced that it needed to download lame 
>>> mp3.
>>>
>>> Since My daw is off line, so I can't download anything from the web.
>>> I copied Winamp's mp3plug into Reaper's program files/plugs folder,
>>> hoping those would suffice; but Reaper still said it needed to
>>> download that lame mp3.
>>> While I was in the program file/plugs folder in Reaper, I noticed
>>> there's already a plug in there named Reaper Mp3.
>>> Well, Reaper refused to recognize Winamp's mp3 plug, so today I
>>> downloaded the latest lame MP3, with this computer; hoping I can stick
>>> into a Reaper folder somewhere and it'll be happy; and will do renders
>>> to mp3 that actually play.
>>> The .ogg files play fine in Winamp, but when I did a recording in the
>>> compressed lossless .wv foremat, Winamp couldn't play it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any clues,
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/16/2012 8:33 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> Wow, how weird that those two versions would sound different. I
>>>> would've thought that they'd both be shoved through the same OGG
>>>> encoder with both methods, and that that'd be the stage where the most
>>>> butchering gets done. Don't worry, I'm not expecting you to know the
>>>> answer as to why it sounds different and I certainly won't be the guy
>>>> to question your ability to hear the difference, just musing on the
>>>> strange and interesting times we live in.
>>>>
>>>> If you get a chance and you're half as curious as I am about this,
>>>> maybe try recording that audio version of the MIDI file down in 24bit
>>>> wav, then try rendering a version with the exact same settings and see
>>>> if you can hear the difference. If you can, even when it's not set to
>>>> spit out a file in a lossy format and no dithering is taking place,
>>>> I'll definitely be switching to your workflow.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/17/12, indigo<33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> Well, Scott, I'm sure it's not easier or quicker, but I was told that
>>>>> there are losses during rendering down, while there are no losses if
>>>>> you
>>>>> simply record in the format that you want to begin with.
>>>>> I'm just experimenting to learn what works best.
>>>>> I'm fairly sure that there are unavoidable math compromises made 
>>>>> during
>>>>> rendering down to a lower bit rate format.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recorded an audio track from midi files at 24 bits 44.1K that 
>>>>> turned
>>>>> out 86 megs, I think it was, kind of large to post anywhere.
>>>>> I tried rendering it to 16 bit ogg, and other foremats, and I 
>>>>> certainly
>>>>> could hear the losses.
>>>>> So, instead, I just changed the Project recording format to 16 bit 
>>>>> ogg,
>>>>> recorded a new audio track, and saved it, no rendering, no dithering
>>>>> required, and it's 5 megs or so in .ogg, not as clear as the .wav
>>>>> version, but much clearer than when I rendered down from .wav to 
>>>>> .ogg.
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/2012 5:38 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>> Hi chaps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forgive me, but I don't see how this is any simpler/quicker than
>>>>>> rendering down to a file, particularly as rendering is done quicker
>>>>>> than in realtime. What am I missing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/16/12, indigo<33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, here's the way I'm working in Reaper right now.
>>>>>>> Instead of rendering, you can insert an empty track.
>>>>>>> Arrow to the empty track to select it, hit the I key to go to IO
>>>>>>> routing, tab to add returns.
>>>>>>> Arrow down to the bottom selection, add returns from all tracks.
>>>>>>> This will cause all the tracks you've already recorded to send 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> output to your blank track.
>>>>>>> I believe you will need to add a send from your empty audio 
>>>>>>> track to
>>>>>>> your sound card, so you can hear it during recording and playback.
>>>>>>> There is no okay button in IO routing, just hit escape to return to
>>>>>>> track view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the empty track selected, tab through its track properties.
>>>>>>> Select all channels if your already recorded tracks are on several
>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>> Select record mode as input, record arm on.
>>>>>>> Hit enter to save your settings.
>>>>>>> Now here's something I found works to make sure you get a stereo
>>>>>>> recording, if your already recorded tracks are in stereo.
>>>>>>> Select the empty track.
>>>>>>> ctrl+up arrow, then press applications key.
>>>>>>> You will get another menu with more detailed properties for your
>>>>>>> empty
>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>> Arrow down and you will find record mode input already checked.
>>>>>>> Arrow farther down and you'll find a selection called Input Stereo.
>>>>>>> Hit enter on it, then hit enter on okay, and you'll be sure to
>>>>>>> record a
>>>>>>> stereo audio track in the empty track.
>>>>>>> You may not need this extra step, so, if you don't, ignore it, 
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>> ended up with a mono track without this step.
>>>>>>> Here's how to record your empty audio track in several different
>>>>>>> media
>>>>>>> formats, so you don't need to render in Reaper's file menu.
>>>>>>> Press alt+enter for Project settings.
>>>>>>> Get on the Audio settings tab.
>>>>>>> Arrow down to the format you intend to use for recording.
>>>>>>> Select whatever format you want your empty track to record in, 
>>>>>>> .wav,
>>>>>>> flack, whatever, though I found mp3 doesn't work until you go
>>>>>>> online to
>>>>>>> import lame MP3 into Reaper.
>>>>>>> Select your bit rate, etcetera, then hit okay; and you are
>>>>>>> returned to
>>>>>>> track view.
>>>>>>> Select your empty audio track, press W to go to beginning of 
>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>> press R to begin recording.
>>>>>>> Hit spacebar, or press R again to stop recording.
>>>>>>> Press ctrl+up arrow.
>>>>>>> Press alt key and arrow down in the file menu to the selection: 
>>>>>>> Save
>>>>>>> Output to Disk Bounce.
>>>>>>> Press enter and you get a very complete menu for saving your audio
>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>> in its selected format.
>>>>>>> When you are sure your settings are correct; tab down to Start; 
>>>>>>> Press
>>>>>>> enter and saving begins.
>>>>>>> Now, I'm not saying you may not find easier ways, I hope you do; 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> these steps are intuitive enough, and are working for me.
>>>>>>> As I understand Reaper better, I'm sure I'll find quicker methods,
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> probably eliminate steps that aren't actually required in all
>>>>>>> instances.
>>>>>>> Don't let Reaper's complexity spook you.
>>>>>>> You don't need all its thousands of selections to do simple
>>>>>>> recording,
>>>>>>> but they're waiting until you need them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/16/2012 12:01 PM, Joe Paton wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mine is beautiful right now, at least I can't hear any delay
>>>>>>>> working 2
>>>>>>>> guitar parts and 2 vocals four tracks. simple music, but still
>>>>>>>> timing
>>>>>>>> critical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great you guys, thanks indigo. I know i'll be back with more.
>>>>>>>> so here's more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a quickie, can I save the four recorded tracks to say 1
>>>>>>>> stereo
>>>>>>>> tracks, I know I can render the four down to a saved file, and I
>>>>>>>> guess I
>>>>>>>> could do a media file import to bring the song back to a stereo
>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>> but that seems round the houses a little bit. How do you use 
>>>>>>>> master
>>>>>>>> tracks?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> seems like a life times work this stuff, and I've had more than
>>>>>>>> I've got
>>>>>>>> left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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