[RWP] introduction and a question?

Fri Mar 16 20:33:40 EDT 2012

Wow, how weird that those two versions would sound different. I
would've thought that they'd both be shoved through the same OGG
encoder with both methods, and that that'd be the stage where the most
butchering gets done. Don't worry, I'm not expecting you to know the
answer as to why it sounds different and I certainly won't be the guy
to question your ability to hear the difference, just musing on the
strange and interesting times we live in.

If you get a chance and you're half as curious as I am about this,
maybe try recording that audio version of the MIDI file down in 24bit
wav, then try rendering a version with the exact same settings and see
if you can hear the difference. If you can, even when it's not set to
spit out a file in a lossy format and no dithering is taking place,
I'll definitely be switching to your workflow.

Scott

On 3/17/12, indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> Well, Scott, I'm sure it's not easier or quicker, but I was told that
> there are losses during rendering down, while there are no losses if you
> simply record in the format that you want to begin with.
> I'm just experimenting to learn what works best.
> I'm fairly sure that there are unavoidable math compromises made during
> rendering down to a lower bit rate format.
>
> I recorded an audio track from midi files at 24 bits 44.1K that turned
> out 86 megs, I think it was, kind of large to post anywhere.
> I tried rendering it to 16 bit ogg, and other foremats, and I certainly
> could hear the losses.
> So, instead, I just changed the Project recording format to 16 bit ogg,
> recorded a new audio track, and saved it, no rendering, no dithering
> required, and it's 5 megs or so in .ogg, not as clear as the .wav
> version, but much clearer than when I rendered down from .wav to .ogg.
> Indigo L
>
> On 3/16/2012 5:38 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Hi chaps,
>>
>> Forgive me, but I don't see how this is any simpler/quicker than
>> rendering down to a file, particularly as rendering is done quicker
>> than in realtime. What am I missing?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 3/16/12, indigo<33indigo at charter.net>  wrote:
>>> Well, here's the way I'm working in Reaper right now.
>>> Instead of rendering, you can insert an empty track.
>>>    Arrow to the empty track to select it, hit the I key to go to IO
>>> routing, tab to add returns.
>>>    Arrow down to the bottom selection, add returns from all tracks.
>>> This will cause all the tracks you've already recorded to send their
>>> output to your blank track.
>>> I believe you will need to add a send from your empty audio track to
>>> your sound card, so you can hear it during recording and playback.
>>> There is no okay button in IO routing, just hit escape to return to
>>> track view.
>>>
>>> With the empty track selected, tab through its track properties.
>>> Select all channels if your already recorded tracks are on several midi
>>> channels.
>>>    Select record mode as input, record arm on.
>>> Hit enter to save your settings.
>>> Now here's something I found works to make sure you get a stereo
>>> recording, if your already recorded tracks are in stereo.
>>> Select the empty track.
>>> ctrl+up arrow, then press applications key.
>>> You will get another menu with more detailed properties for your empty
>>> track.
>>> Arrow down and you will find record mode input already checked.
>>> Arrow farther down and you'll find a selection called Input Stereo.
>>> Hit enter on it, then hit enter on okay, and you'll be sure to record a
>>> stereo audio track in the empty track.
>>> You may not need this extra step, so, if you don't, ignore it, but I
>>> ended up with a mono track without this step.
>>> Here's how to record your empty audio track in several different media
>>> formats, so you don't need to render in Reaper's file menu.
>>> Press alt+enter for Project settings.
>>> Get on the Audio settings tab.
>>> Arrow down to the format you intend to use for recording.
>>> Select whatever format you want your empty track to record in, .wav,
>>> flack, whatever, though I found mp3 doesn't work until you go online to
>>> import lame MP3 into Reaper.
>>> Select your bit rate, etcetera, then hit okay; and you are returned to
>>> track view.
>>> Select your empty audio track, press W to go to beginning of project,
>>> press R to begin recording.
>>> Hit spacebar, or press R again to stop recording.
>>>    Press ctrl+up arrow.
>>>    Press alt key and arrow down in the file menu to the selection: Save
>>> Output to Disk Bounce.
>>> Press enter and you get a very complete menu for saving your audio track
>>> in its selected format.
>>> When you are sure your settings are correct; tab down to Start; Press
>>> enter and saving begins.
>>> Now, I'm not saying you may not find easier ways, I hope you do; but
>>> these steps are intuitive enough, and are working for me.
>>> As I understand Reaper better, I'm sure I'll find quicker methods, I'll
>>> probably eliminate steps that aren't actually required in all instances.
>>> Don't let Reaper's complexity spook you.
>>> You don't need all its thousands of selections to do simple recording,
>>> but they're waiting until you need them.
>>>
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/16/2012 12:01 PM, Joe Paton wrote:
>>>> Hi,,
>>>>
>>>> Mine is beautiful right now, at least I can't hear any delay working 2
>>>> guitar parts and 2 vocals four tracks. simple music, but still timing
>>>> critical.
>>>>
>>>> Great you guys, thanks indigo. I know i'll be back with more.
>>>> so here's more.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a quickie, can I save the four recorded tracks to say 1 stereo
>>>> tracks, I know I can render the four down to a saved file, and I guess I
>>>> could do a media file import to bring the song back to a stereo track
>>>> but that seems round the houses a little bit. How do you use master
>>>> tracks?
>>>>
>>>> seems like a life times work this stuff, and I've had more than I've got
>>>> left.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
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