[RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64

[Roy Shtupler]

the menus you get in Reaper are according to the context you're workingon; 
e.g when selecting an item or time range , a different menu comes up than 
the one with tracks and routing.
investigating more deeply into it now
cheers
Roy..
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64


> Then I assume if it's the bridge to the 64 bit environment, it wouldn't be 
> a good idea to do anything to Reaper host 32.
> By the way, there are other menus I open in Reaper that I haven't taken 
> notes on.
> I assume they are standard reaper menus that I've encountered outside 
> ReaAccess, or menus I don't know about that everyone uses from ReaAccess.
> I'll try to keep some notes on what shortcut brings up what menu; but it 
> will be running XP; and either Wineyes 6.1 or NVDA 2012.
> Indigo L
>
>
> On 7/4/2012 1:37 AM, Roy wrote:
>> from what I understand , reaper_host32 is used to bridge 32-bit plug-ins
>> in a 64-bit environment.
>> am going to try opening reaper-_access.dll in a resource editor and see
>> if there's a clue to what's going on there.
>> so far , System Access seems to best cope with the wrong track
>> alteration issue.
>> cheers
>> Roy.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Indigo
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:34 PM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>
>> Thanks, Roy.
>> I found it once, but don't know enough about .dll files to do anything
>> with it.
>> I just tried to edit the reaper nstall.ini file; to change the line:
>> reaper 32 host equals 1 to reaper 32 host equals 0, but access is denied.
>> I tried to alter security in reaperInstall.ini to give me editing
>> priveleges, but really don't know what I'm doing in there.
>>
>> You know, I followed your suggestion and inserted several tracks into
>> reaper, running NVDA, then tried ctrl+up arrow, then selecting the item,
>> then pressing applications key and down arrow to get the monitor input M
>> menu, and, you are right, sometimes it alters the input mode on the
>> wrong track, not the one I had selected.
>> I'm going to leave this to people who earnestly want to run Reaper 64
>> with NVDA to puzzle out.
>> I think there is a method of changing track input modes, it works
>> sometimes, but I personally am sticking to recording in 32 bit reaper in
>> XP, with wineyes
>> Recording in Win7 64 is just not my cup of tea.
>> When i press the applications key in Reaper 64 running NVDA, sometimes I
>> get the menu with the words Jump to Marker J, then sometimes I get a
>> dialog box for setting the Master VU meter to peaks, and then sometimes
>> the Monitor Input M menu.
>> Whether in NVDA or Windoweyes, I'm only a fan of Win7 64 for surfing the
>> web in relative safety, not for recording
>> With the power of an Intel I7 CPU, I doubt if a hundred Reaper tracks
>> full of every imaginable effect; or soft synth; would tax the power of
>> the CPU, even with only about 3.2 gigs of ram available...
>> Indigo L
>> ..
>>
>> On 7/3/2012 12:58 AM, Roy wrote:
>>> it is called reaper_access.dll and is installed in your reaper folder ,
>>> e.g reaper (x64) in the plugins directory.
>>> best
>>> Roy.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:34 AM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>
>>> I believe ReaAccess uses the same files regardless of if you're running
>>> 32 or 64-bit Reaper. If you install the 64-bit version of Reaper on a
>>> 64-bit system, it will install properly. If, however, you install a
>>> 32-bit version of Reaper on a 64-bit system, where that is the only
>>> installed version of Reaper, the ReaAccess installer will look for a
>>> 64-bit Reaper that doesn't exist, complain loudly, and not work at all.
>>> If you have both the 32 and 64-bit Reaper installed, ReaAccess may only
>>> work with the 64-bit version by default.
>>>
>>> I use the 32-bit version of Reaper on my 64-bit system to have access to
>>> some old 32-bit DirectX plugins, which don't show up on any 64-bit DAW.
>>> 32-bit bridging only works with VST plugins, not DirectX ones. I also
>>> have the 64-bit version installed. However, to make Reaper32 and
>>> ReaAccess play nice together on the two Windows 7 64 systems I put it
>>> on, I had to copy all the files necessary for ReaAccess to work from
>>> another working 32-bit Reaper directory, which was installed on a
>>> Windows XP machine.
>>>
>>> On 7/2/2012 10:37 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>> You're right, I should insert several tracks, to be sure the method
>>>> works in Windows 7 with NVDA.
>>>> However, it's the same method I've been using with Wineyes 6.1 in XP,
>>>> and there it always changes track properties for the selected track.
>>>>
>>>> meanwhile, I think I found a possible clue as to what's different when
>>>> Reaper is opened with Wineyes as opposed to being opened with NVDA.
>>>>
>>>> If I start Reaper with NVDA, then press ctrl+shift+escape to open the
>>>> Windows task manager, in the applications list I find Reaper X64
>>>> running.
>>>>
>>>> But, if i open Reaper with Windoweyes, it locks up, and in the Windows
>>>> Task Manager there are 2 instances of Reaper shown as running.
>>>>
>>>> I tried ending one of the instances with E button, but only the top
>>>> Reaper running 1 would close, no response when I tried closing Reaper
>>>> running 2.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how two instances could show when Wineyes opens Reaper,
>>>> and only one when NVDA opens it, but maybe it's a clue as to what's
>>>> going on.
>>>> You know, Reaper opens just fine in Win7 64 with ReaAccess not
>>>> installed, so it's something going on between Wineyes and ReaAccess, 
>>>> but
>>>> only in Win7 64.
>>>> Is there a special 64 bit version of ReaAccess, or only the one 
>>>> version?
>>>>
>>>> I tried to find the .exe file for ReaAccess, in hopes of running 
>>>> windows
>>>> 7's troubleshoot compatibility on it; but couldn't find anything called
>>>> reaAccess.exe.
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>> On 7/2/2012 7:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> this method really works.
>>>>> if however , you have multiple tracks in a project , there might be a
>>>>> difference between what you're told , and which track actually got
>>>>> altered.
>>>>> e.g insert 3 or 4 tracks.
>>>>> change something in the first track e.g record mode , input , etc.
>>>>> now , go down to another track and try the same method; do you still
>>>>> get
>>>>> a report on which track's properties got altered?
>>>>> thanks a bunch
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:58 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roy, I just looked at Reaper 4.22 again with NVDA.
>>>>>> I inserted an empty track, armed it, pressed ctrl+up arrow to make 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> applications menu display.
>>>>>> Then i selected the item with ctrl+shift+right arrow, even there was
>>>>>> no actual item, then pressed the applications key, then down arrowed
>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>> I got the correct track options menu that begins Monitor input M.
>>>>>> You can arrow down to click on monitor input midi, or monitor input
>>>>>> audio.
>>>>>> You can also select stereo there, instead of the default mono
>>>>>> recording, plus many other track options not offered in ReaAccess 
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the tab key.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i find that if I don't do that little nonsense step of selecting the
>>>>>> non existent item; when I press the applications key and down arrow; 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> get another menu that begins with Jump to Marker J
>>>>>> Once the monitorr input M menu displays, it displays every time after
>>>>>> that, no problem.
>>>>>> This behaveor is exactly the same for me in NVDA or Wineyes; any 
>>>>>> later
>>>>>> Reaper version; in XP or Win7 64.
>>>>>> Indigo L.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/2/2012 3:37 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> I suspect yes , maybe it's a tiny little fix , but we don't have the
>>>>>>> source code , and the developers vanished for some odd reason.
>>>>>>> well ... on to learning Python and re-writing ReaAccess.
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:46 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can get to that from the track context menu. Is this now broken
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> later versions of reaper? This is actually the main reason I am
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> using 3.7.x.
>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 6:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> for instance , the button that , when right-clicked on , brings 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>>>> that assigns a track to a particular input; either midi or audio.
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A while back; just to understand if; and how; it could be done, I
>>>>>>>>>> installed a fresh copy of Reaper 4X plus ReaAccess, then assigned
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> audio and midi interface settings, plus tried as many usual
>>>>>>>>>> actions as
>>>>>>>>>> I could think of, all with NVDA, and found work arounds for
>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>> The part that concerned me was getting the midi portss enabled,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> ; when I did them in Wineyes and Jaws; required Wineyes mouse
>>>>>>>>>> pointer/jaws PC cursor moves at the numPad, but a little
>>>>>>>>>> experimentation with NVDA +flat review, move to focus, move
>>>>>>>>>> navigator
>>>>>>>>>> object to mouse, and I got all midi ports enabled with NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember trying NVDA in Reaper's IO dialog, but I can't
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> of anything in there that NVDA can't accomplish.
>>>>>>>>>> Right click menus seem very similar to what I get with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still have Reaper 4.22 on this Win7 64 machine, so if you want
>>>>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>>>>> try some particular move with NVDA, let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll go to the midi editor and see if it's as easy to edit midi
>>>>>>>>>> events as with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA will do your midi quantization work arounds; Roy, I think
>>>>>>>>>> nothing is lacking.
>>>>>>>>>> I was going to uninstall Reaper, from this computer; since it's
>>>>>>>>>> totally impossible to run with Wineyes 7.5.22.
>>>>>>>>>> I prefer Wineyes 6.1 to NVDA; in my XP daw; because I like to
>>>>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>>>>> the whole screen with wineyes num pad navigation keys, and feel
>>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>>> blinded by NVDA's lack of the same entire screen review facility.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't doubt that very skilled NVDA user can find anything on a
>>>>>>>>>> screen, it just frustrates me to get only bits and pieces; here
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> there; with various shortcuts; instead of the entire screen all 
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA ever gets easy screen navigation at the number pad, look
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>>>> My greatest frustration with NVDA lately is; on Win7; that it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> pop up Win7's U A C dialog for me.
>>>>>>>>>> Instead it goes silent.
>>>>>>>>>> I have poked around with the spacebar and pressing Y for yes, and
>>>>>>>>>> actually got programs to run, but it's just guessing; no
>>>>>>>>>> confirmation
>>>>>>>>>> speech during the U A C dialog.
>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:17 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't actually needed to access those controls in that way,
>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>> I can do all that through ReaAccess. I am still using Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.7.x by
>>>>>>>>>>> choice. Maybe things are different now, not sure.
>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point though. NVDA sometimes won't see stuff like that,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> it reads the Izotope RX stand-alone stuff better than System
>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>> does, or Jaws, for that matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This entire discussion is kind of ironic, since all but one of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> SeroTalk podcasts are produced with Reaper... using NVDA. Oops!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hi Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>> do you succeed in reading and right-clicking all the track
>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>> panel buttons using NVDA? e.g the i/o button , monitoring etc;
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to read just with System Access's virtual mouse mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, System Access does, indeed, work fine with ReaAccess. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same API NVDA does. I prefer using it with NVDA though,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as it
>>>>>>>>>>>> reads some of the plugin interfaces a bit better than System
>>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Functionality is basically the same with all the stock
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, as is always the case, SA occasionally gets things that
>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>> misses, and the other way around.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It hasn't been a one screenreader world for a while now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeh , system access works with no problems also on 64-bit with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 64-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tryed system access?,...system access runs reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems,...I've been using it for 6 years now...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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