[RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64

Tue Jul 3 11:34:44 EDT 2012

Thanks, Roy.
I found it once, but don't know enough about .dll files to do anything 
with it.
I just tried to edit the reaper nstall.ini file; to change the line: 
reaper 32 host equals 1 to reaper 32 host equals 0, but access is denied.
I tried to alter security in reaperInstall.ini to give me editing 
priveleges, but really don't know what I'm doing in there.

You know, I followed your suggestion and inserted several tracks into 
reaper, running NVDA, then tried ctrl+up arrow, then selecting the item, 
then pressing applications key and down arrow to get the monitor input M 
menu, and, you are right, sometimes it alters the input mode on the 
wrong track, not the one I had selected.
I'm going to leave this to people who earnestly want to run Reaper 64 
with NVDA to puzzle out.
I think there is a method of changing track input modes, it works 
sometimes, but I personally am sticking to recording in 32 bit reaper in 
XP, with wineyes
Recording in Win7 64 is just not my cup of tea.
When i press the applications key in Reaper 64 running NVDA, sometimes I 
get the menu with the words Jump to Marker J, then sometimes I get a 
dialog box for setting the Master VU meter to peaks, and then sometimes 
the Monitor Input M menu.
Whether in NVDA or Windoweyes, I'm only a fan of Win7 64 for surfing the 
web in relative safety, not for recording
With the power of an Intel I7 CPU, I doubt if a hundred Reaper tracks 
full of every imaginable effect; or soft synth; would tax the power of 
the CPU, even with only about 3.2  gigs of ram available...
Indigo L
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On 7/3/2012 12:58 AM, Roy wrote:
> it is called reaper_access.dll and is installed in your reaper folder ,
> e.g reaper (x64) in the plugins directory.
> best
> Roy.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:34 AM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>
> I believe ReaAccess uses the same files regardless of if you're running
> 32 or 64-bit Reaper. If you install the 64-bit version of Reaper on a
> 64-bit system, it will install properly. If, however, you install a
> 32-bit version of Reaper on a 64-bit system, where that is the only
> installed version of Reaper, the ReaAccess installer will look for a
> 64-bit Reaper that doesn't exist, complain loudly, and not work at all.
> If you have both the 32 and 64-bit Reaper installed, ReaAccess may only
> work with the 64-bit version by default.
>
> I use the 32-bit version of Reaper on my 64-bit system to have access to
> some old 32-bit DirectX plugins, which don't show up on any 64-bit DAW.
> 32-bit bridging only works with VST plugins, not DirectX ones. I also
> have the 64-bit version installed. However, to make Reaper32 and
> ReaAccess play nice together on the two Windows 7 64 systems I put it
> on, I had to copy all the files necessary for ReaAccess to work from
> another working 32-bit Reaper directory, which was installed on a
> Windows XP machine.
>
> On 7/2/2012 10:37 PM, Indigo wrote:
>> You're right, I should insert several tracks, to be sure the method
>> works in Windows 7 with NVDA.
>> However, it's the same method I've been using with Wineyes 6.1 in XP,
>> and there it always changes track properties for the selected track.
>>
>> meanwhile, I think I found a possible clue as to what's different when
>> Reaper is opened with Wineyes as opposed to being opened with NVDA.
>>
>> If I start Reaper with NVDA, then press ctrl+shift+escape to open the
>> Windows task manager, in the applications list I find Reaper X64 running.
>>
>> But, if i open Reaper with Windoweyes, it locks up, and in the Windows
>> Task Manager there are 2 instances of Reaper shown as running.
>>
>> I tried ending one of the instances with E button, but only the top
>> Reaper running 1 would close, no response when I tried closing Reaper
>> running 2.
>>
>> I have no idea how two instances could show when Wineyes opens Reaper,
>> and only one when NVDA opens it, but maybe it's a clue as to what's
>> going on.
>> You know, Reaper opens just fine in Win7 64 with ReaAccess not
>> installed, so it's something going on between Wineyes and ReaAccess, but
>> only in Win7 64.
>> Is there a special 64 bit version of ReaAccess, or only the one version?
>>
>> I tried to find the .exe file for ReaAccess, in hopes of running windows
>> 7's troubleshoot compatibility on it; but couldn't find anything called
>> reaAccess.exe.
>> Indigo L
>>
>> On 7/2/2012 7:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> this method really works.
>>> if however , you have multiple tracks in a project , there might be a
>>> difference between what you're told , and which track actually got
>>> altered.
>>> e.g insert 3 or 4 tracks.
>>> change something in the first track e.g record mode , input , etc.
>>> now , go down to another track and try the same method; do you still get
>>> a report on which track's properties got altered?
>>> thanks a bunch
>>> Roy.
>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>
>>>
>>>> Roy, I just looked at Reaper 4.22 again with NVDA.
>>>> I inserted an empty track, armed it, pressed ctrl+up arrow to make the
>>>> applications menu display.
>>>> Then i selected the item with ctrl+shift+right arrow, even there was
>>>> no actual item, then pressed the applications key, then down arrowed
>>>> quickly.
>>>> I got the correct track options menu that begins Monitor input M.
>>>> You can arrow down to click on monitor input midi, or monitor input
>>>> audio.
>>>> You can also select stereo there, instead of the default mono
>>>> recording, plus many other track options not offered in ReaAccess from
>>>> the tab key.
>>>>
>>>> i find that if I don't do that little nonsense step of selecting the
>>>> non existent item; when I press the applications key and down arrow; I
>>>> get another menu that begins with Jump to Marker J
>>>> Once the monitorr input M menu displays, it displays every time after
>>>> that, no problem.
>>>> This behaveor is exactly the same for me in NVDA or Wineyes; any later
>>>> Reaper version; in XP or Win7 64.
>>>> Indigo L.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/2/2012 3:37 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> I suspect yes , maybe it's a tiny little fix , but we don't have the
>>>>> source code , and the developers vanished for some odd reason.
>>>>> well ... on to learning Python and re-writing ReaAccess.
>>>>> best
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:46 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can get to that from the track context menu. Is this now broken
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> later versions of reaper? This is actually the main reason I am still
>>>>>> using 3.7.x.
>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 6:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> for instance , the button that , when right-clicked on , brings the
>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>> that assigns a track to a particular input; either midi or audio.
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A while back; just to understand if; and how; it could be done, I
>>>>>>>> installed a fresh copy of Reaper 4X plus ReaAccess, then assigned
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> audio and midi interface settings, plus tried as many usual
>>>>>>>> actions as
>>>>>>>> I could think of, all with NVDA, and found work arounds for
>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>> The part that concerned me was getting the midi portss enabled,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> ; when I did them in Wineyes and Jaws; required Wineyes mouse
>>>>>>>> pointer/jaws PC cursor moves at the numPad, but a little
>>>>>>>> experimentation with NVDA +flat review, move to focus, move
>>>>>>>> navigator
>>>>>>>> object to mouse, and I got all midi ports enabled with NVDA.
>>>>>>>> I don't remember trying NVDA in Reaper's IO dialog, but I can't
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> of anything in there that NVDA can't accomplish.
>>>>>>>> Right click menus seem very similar to what I get with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still have Reaper 4.22 on this Win7 64 machine, so if you want
>>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>>> try some particular move with NVDA, let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll go to the midi editor and see if it's as easy to edit midi
>>>>>>>> events as with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>> If NVDA will do your midi quantization work arounds; Roy, I think
>>>>>>>> nothing is lacking.
>>>>>>>> I was going to uninstall Reaper, from this computer; since it's
>>>>>>>> totally impossible to run with Wineyes 7.5.22.
>>>>>>>> I prefer Wineyes 6.1 to NVDA; in my XP daw; because I like to
>>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>>> the whole screen with wineyes num pad navigation keys, and feel
>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>> blinded by NVDA's lack of the same entire screen review facility.
>>>>>>>> I don't doubt that very skilled NVDA user can find anything on a
>>>>>>>> screen, it just frustrates me to get only bits and pieces; here and
>>>>>>>> there; with various shortcuts; instead of the entire screen all at
>>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>>> If NVDA ever gets easy screen navigation at the number pad, look
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>> My greatest frustration with NVDA lately is; on Win7; that it
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> pop up Win7's U A C dialog for me.
>>>>>>>> Instead it goes silent.
>>>>>>>> I have poked around with the spacebar and pressing Y for yes, and
>>>>>>>> actually got programs to run, but it's just guessing; no
>>>>>>>> confirmation
>>>>>>>> speech during the U A C dialog.
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:17 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I haven't actually needed to access those controls in that way,
>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>> I can do all that through ReaAccess. I am still using Reaper
>>>>>>>>> 3.7.x by
>>>>>>>>> choice. Maybe things are different now, not sure.
>>>>>>>>> Case in point though. NVDA sometimes won't see stuff like that,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> it reads the Izotope RX stand-alone stuff better than System
>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>> does, or Jaws, for that matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This entire discussion is kind of ironic, since all but one of the
>>>>>>>>> SeroTalk podcasts are produced with Reaper... using NVDA. Oops!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> do you succeed in reading and right-clicking all the track
>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>> panel buttons using NVDA? e.g the i/o button , monitoring etc;
>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> seem to read just with System Access's virtual mouse mode.
>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, System Access does, indeed, work fine with ReaAccess. It
>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>> the same API NVDA does. I prefer using it with NVDA though, as it
>>>>>>>>>> reads some of the plugin interfaces a bit better than System
>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>> does. Functionality is basically the same with all the stock
>>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>> But, as is always the case, SA occasionally gets things that NVDA
>>>>>>>>>> misses, and the other way around.
>>>>>>>>>> It hasn't been a one screenreader world for a while now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> yeh , system access works with no problems also on 64-bit with
>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 64-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tryed system access?,...system access runs reaper
>>>>>>>>>>> with no
>>>>>>>>>>> problems,...I've been using it for 6 years now...
>>>>>>>>>>>
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