[RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
Indigo
33indigo at charter.net
Tue Jul 3 16:57:22 EDT 2012
Roy, maybe it's best said that I heard; or imagined; hearing a hint from
Russia about Ivan's group being bought out, or was it muscled
out;whatever; by another corporation with different interests, so,
realistically, that's the end of ReaAccess development.
Frankly, with my simple recording needs; i get along fine with ReaAccess
like it is.
Also, I use that extended track properties menu workaround all the time
in XP and Wineyes 6.1, and never had it alter the wrong track's properties.
More and more, Roy, I realize these differences are caused by our
particular computer's mix of components, CPU made in Redlands,
Washington, or Israel, or Germany, , motherboard from Taiwan, Indonesia,
or China, or The Phillipines, memory from China, hard drive from Tialan,
Korea, whatever.
No wonder we get such different results from the same software.
This $378.98 AMD four core Acer from Walmart is the friendliest to
screenreaders I've ever had; I believe because the CPU has totally
integrated graphics, onboard the CPU, only 32 microns distance between
the CPu and graphics, graphics designed by AMD/A t i; drivers written
by AMD, and the motherboard is Acer designed, or at least they put their
name on it smile.
The hard drive is a Seagate Barracuta, which should be okay, if it isn't
one of those last high failure rate run Seagate put out just before
they merged with Samsung.
Whatever the reason, maybe just luck, it works for screenreaders on win7
64, better than the Intel I7 2600 I use for a daw.
When the $17 swappable hard drive trays arrive, I'll make a hard drive
for this one with XP, and at least have it as a backup daw
I'm very curious to learn if it runs as glitch free on XP as it does on
Win7 64.
I think your breakthrough for quantization in Reaper was about my last
stumbling block at making music totally within Reaper.
I have nothing against using Sonar for what Reaper lacks, though.
I had already dug out an ancient installer for Sonar Home Studio version
4, and planned to do quantization in it.
I felt totally at home in that simple program, it just can't compare to
Reaper's 64 bit clarity, but it can do all I need in midi quantization.
I lost touch with sonar about version 6, and never got competence with 7
and 8., and don't miss them anymore.
I believe it's magnificent for you to extend the capability of ReaAccess
though
Even though we are discovering home made shortcuts and work arounds, we
shouldn't need to.
Thanks,
Indigo L
.
On 7/3/2012 3:00 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
> here , it altered the wrong track also in xp.
> so I'm working either in Jaws or System Access; SA also runs off a usb
> hard drive , so it's a real handy solution when recording on someone
> else's computer.
> as for reaaccess , will begin tacling and learning Python to re-write it
> , since I don't expect much from the original developers.
> I don't want to put anybody down , but they spoke of a new version last
> September , and nothing's new up til now.
> cheers
> Roy.
> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>
>
>> Thanks, Roy.
>> I found it, but I don't know what needs to be done to it to make
>> Wineyes run both Reaper and ReaAccess.
>> My personal solution is to record in XP.
>> A little while ago, I retested the workaround to get the track
>> properties menu with NVDA; and it did alter the input mode on the
>> wrong track, as you suspected it might.
>> Despite many different approaches, I would sometimes get the input
>> monitor menu when pressing the applications key, and sometimes a Jump
>> To Marker j menu, and sometimes a dialog for setting how the master VU
>> meters read.
>> I don't get those glitches in XP; with either Wineyes or NVDA.
>> This is the friendliest computer for screenreaders I ever had, and
>> Wineyes 7.5.2 is doing fine on Win7 64; but, for me, Win7 is better
>> and more robust for surfing, and email; but I like the stability of XP
>> for recording.
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/2012 10:58 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> it's a dll called Reaper-Access , located in the Reaper (or Reaper x64)
>>> folder , in the plugins subdirectory.
>>> hope this helps
>>> Roy.
>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>
>>>
>>>> Patrick, when you say you copied all the 32 bit files necessary for
>>>> ReaAccess to work, can you list what those files are
>>>>
>>>> Last night I noticed that when I open Reaper with NVDA, there is a
>>>> single file called Reaper X64 running in Windows Task Manager, but
>>>> when I open Reaper with Wineyes there are two files running in Windows
>>>> Task Manager: Reaper 1 and Reaper 2.
>>>> When opened by NVDA, the task manager entry says Reaper x64, but when
>>>> opened by Windoweyes neither of the 2 entries say x64.
>>>>
>>>> Some interaction of Wineyes Win7 and ReaAccess is opening 2 files, or
>>>> maybe it's an erroneous display in Windows Task Manager.
>>>> I tried the usual method in Task Manager of ending one of the files,
>>>> but only succeeded in exiting Reaper.
>>>> I changed a few cursorrrrr settings in Wineyes, thinking there's a
>>>> setting that might open Reaper with only a single instance running, no
>>>> luck so far.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that Wineyes can run Reaper 64 just fine, as long as
>>>> ReaAccess is not installed, must indicate it's not a problem of how
>>>> Wineyes opens Reaper, but some interaction between Wineyes and
>>>> ReaAccess that doesn't occur in 32 bits.
>>>> I tried to locate an actual reaAccess.exe to run Win7's troubleshoot
>>>> compatibility mode on it, but can't find reaAccess.exe.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that the clue will be there, by comparing what is there in the
>>>> Reaper folder in Program Files; with and without ReaAccess installed;
>>>> and comparing what NVDA is doing with those files compared to what
>>>> Wineyes is doing with them.
>>>> This level of computer science is a mystery to me, though; I'll defer
>>>> to you and Roy to hopefully discover something that will solve this.
>>>>
>>>> I notice in Reaper's installed data .ini file, whatever its proper
>>>> title is, there is an entry Reaper 32 host equals 1, as well as Reaper
>>>> 64 Host equals 1.
>>>> I think I'll change that 1 for a zero on the 32 host entry, and see
>>>> what happens.
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2012 12:34 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>> I believe ReaAccess uses the same files regardless of if you're
>>>>> running
>>>>> 32 or 64-bit Reaper. If you install the 64-bit version of Reaper on a
>>>>> 64-bit system, it will install properly. If, however, you install a
>>>>> 32-bit version of Reaper on a 64-bit system, where that is the only
>>>>> installed version of Reaper, the ReaAccess installer will look for a
>>>>> 64-bit Reaper that doesn't exist, complain loudly, and not work at
>>>>> all.
>>>>> If you have both the 32 and 64-bit Reaper installed, ReaAccess may
>>>>> only
>>>>> work with the 64-bit version by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use the 32-bit version of Reaper on my 64-bit system to have
>>>>> access to
>>>>> some old 32-bit DirectX plugins, which don't show up on any 64-bit
>>>>> DAW.
>>>>> 32-bit bridging only works with VST plugins, not DirectX ones. I also
>>>>> have the 64-bit version installed. However, to make Reaper32 and
>>>>> ReaAccess play nice together on the two Windows 7 64 systems I put it
>>>>> on, I had to copy all the files necessary for ReaAccess to work from
>>>>> another working 32-bit Reaper directory, which was installed on a
>>>>> Windows XP machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/2/2012 10:37 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>> You're right, I should insert several tracks, to be sure the method
>>>>>> works in Windows 7 with NVDA.
>>>>>> However, it's the same method I've been using with Wineyes 6.1 in XP,
>>>>>> and there it always changes track properties for the selected track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> meanwhile, I think I found a possible clue as to what's different
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> Reaper is opened with Wineyes as opposed to being opened with NVDA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I start Reaper with NVDA, then press ctrl+shift+escape to open the
>>>>>> Windows task manager, in the applications list I find Reaper X64
>>>>>> running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, if i open Reaper with Windoweyes, it locks up, and in the
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>> Task Manager there are 2 instances of Reaper shown as running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried ending one of the instances with E button, but only the top
>>>>>> Reaper running 1 would close, no response when I tried closing Reaper
>>>>>> running 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea how two instances could show when Wineyes opens
>>>>>> Reaper,
>>>>>> and only one when NVDA opens it, but maybe it's a clue as to what's
>>>>>> going on.
>>>>>> You know, Reaper opens just fine in Win7 64 with ReaAccess not
>>>>>> installed, so it's something going on between Wineyes and ReaAccess,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> only in Win7 64.
>>>>>> Is there a special 64 bit version of ReaAccess, or only the one
>>>>>> version?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to find the .exe file for ReaAccess, in hopes of running
>>>>>> windows
>>>>>> 7's troubleshoot compatibility on it; but couldn't find anything
>>>>>> called
>>>>>> reaAccess.exe.
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/2/2012 7:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> this method really works.
>>>>>>> if however , you have multiple tracks in a project , there might
>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>> difference between what you're told , and which track actually got
>>>>>>> altered.
>>>>>>> e.g insert 3 or 4 tracks.
>>>>>>> change something in the first track e.g record mode , input , etc.
>>>>>>> now , go down to another track and try the same method; do you
>>>>>>> still get
>>>>>>> a report on which track's properties got altered?
>>>>>>> thanks a bunch
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:58 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roy, I just looked at Reaper 4.22 again with NVDA.
>>>>>>>> I inserted an empty track, armed it, pressed ctrl+up arrow to make
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> applications menu display.
>>>>>>>> Then i selected the item with ctrl+shift+right arrow, even there
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> no actual item, then pressed the applications key, then down
>>>>>>>> arrowed
>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>> I got the correct track options menu that begins Monitor input M.
>>>>>>>> You can arrow down to click on monitor input midi, or monitor input
>>>>>>>> audio.
>>>>>>>> You can also select stereo there, instead of the default mono
>>>>>>>> recording, plus many other track options not offered in ReaAccess
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the tab key.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i find that if I don't do that little nonsense step of selecting
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> non existent item; when I press the applications key and down
>>>>>>>> arrow; I
>>>>>>>> get another menu that begins with Jump to Marker J
>>>>>>>> Once the monitorr input M menu displays, it displays every time
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>> that, no problem.
>>>>>>>> This behaveor is exactly the same for me in NVDA or Wineyes; any
>>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>>> Reaper version; in XP or Win7 64.
>>>>>>>> Indigo L.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2012 3:37 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I suspect yes , maybe it's a tiny little fix , but we don't
>>>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>>>> source code , and the developers vanished for some odd reason.
>>>>>>>>> well ... on to learning Python and re-writing ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:46 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can get to that from the track context menu. Is this now broken
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> later versions of reaper? This is actually the main reason I am
>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> using 3.7.x.
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 6:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> for instance , the button that , when right-clicked on , brings
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>>>>>> that assigns a track to a particular input; either midi or
>>>>>>>>>>> audio.
>>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
>>>>>>>>>>> <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:34 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A while back; just to understand if; and how; it could be
>>>>>>>>>>>> done, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed a fresh copy of Reaper 4X plus ReaAccess, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> assigned
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> audio and midi interface settings, plus tried as many usual
>>>>>>>>>>>> actions as
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could think of, all with NVDA, and found work arounds for
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The part that concerned me was getting the midi portss enabled,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; when I did them in Wineyes and Jaws; required Wineyes mouse
>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer/jaws PC cursor moves at the numPad, but a little
>>>>>>>>>>>> experimentation with NVDA +flat review, move to focus, move
>>>>>>>>>>>> navigator
>>>>>>>>>>>> object to mouse, and I got all midi ports enabled with NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember trying NVDA in Reaper's IO dialog, but I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> of anything in there that NVDA can't accomplish.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right click menus seem very similar to what I get with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I still have Reaper 4.22 on this Win7 64 machine, so if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>>>>>>> try some particular move with NVDA, let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll go to the midi editor and see if it's as easy to edit midi
>>>>>>>>>>>> events as with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA will do your midi quantization work arounds; Roy, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was going to uninstall Reaper, from this computer; since it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> totally impossible to run with Wineyes 7.5.22.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer Wineyes 6.1 to NVDA; in my XP daw; because I like to
>>>>>>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole screen with wineyes num pad navigation keys, and feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>>>>> blinded by NVDA's lack of the same entire screen review
>>>>>>>>>>>> facility.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't doubt that very skilled NVDA user can find anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen, it just frustrates me to get only bits and pieces;
>>>>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>>>>> there; with various shortcuts; instead of the entire screen
>>>>>>>>>>>> all at
>>>>>>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA ever gets easy screen navigation at the number pad,
>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My greatest frustration with NVDA lately is; on Win7; that it
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> pop up Win7's U A C dialog for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead it goes silent.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have poked around with the spacebar and pressing Y for
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually got programs to run, but it's just guessing; no
>>>>>>>>>>>> confirmation
>>>>>>>>>>>> speech during the U A C dialog.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:17 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't actually needed to access those controls in that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do all that through ReaAccess. I am still using Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.7.x by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. Maybe things are different now, not sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point though. NVDA sometimes won't see stuff like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it reads the Izotope RX stand-alone stuff better than System
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does, or Jaws, for that matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This entire discussion is kind of ironic, since all but one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SeroTalk podcasts are produced with Reaper... using NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you succeed in reading and right-clicking all the track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel buttons using NVDA? e.g the i/o button , monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to read just with System Access's virtual mouse mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, System Access does, indeed, work fine with ReaAccess. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same API NVDA does. I prefer using it with NVDA though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reads some of the plugin interfaces a bit better than System
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Functionality is basically the same with all the stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, as is always the case, SA occasionally gets things that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misses, and the other way around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It hasn't been a one screenreader world for a while now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeh , system access works with no problems also on 64-bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 64-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tryed system access?,...system access runs reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems,...I've been using it for 6 years now...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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