[RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64

Tue Jul 3 15:00:08 EDT 2012

here , it altered the wrong track also in xp.
so I'm working either in Jaws or System Access; SA also runs off a usb hard 
drive , so it's a real handy solution when recording on someone else's 
computer.
as for reaaccess , will begin tacling and learning Python to re-write it , 
since I don't expect much from the original developers.
I don't want to put anybody down , but they spoke of a new version last 
September , and nothing's new up til now.
cheers
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64


> Thanks, Roy.
> I found it, but I don't know what needs to be done to it to make Wineyes 
> run both Reaper and ReaAccess.
> My personal solution is to record in XP.
> A little while ago, I retested the workaround to get the track properties 
> menu with NVDA; and it did alter the input mode on the wrong track, as you 
> suspected it might.
> Despite many different approaches, I would sometimes get the input monitor 
> menu when pressing the applications key, and sometimes a Jump To Marker j 
> menu, and sometimes a dialog for setting how the master VU meters read.
> I don't get those glitches in XP; with either Wineyes or NVDA.
> This is the friendliest computer for screenreaders I ever had, and Wineyes 
> 7.5.2 is doing fine on Win7 64; but, for me, Win7 is better and more 
> robust for surfing, and email; but I like the stability of XP for 
> recording.
> Indigo L
>
>
> On 7/3/2012 10:58 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>> it's a dll called Reaper-Access , located in the Reaper (or Reaper x64)
>> folder , in the plugins subdirectory.
>> hope this helps
>> Roy.
>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>
>>
>>> Patrick, when you say you copied all the 32 bit files necessary for
>>> ReaAccess to work, can you list what those files are
>>>
>>> Last night I noticed that when I open Reaper with NVDA, there is a
>>> single file called Reaper X64 running in Windows Task Manager, but
>>> when I open Reaper with Wineyes there are two files running in Windows
>>> Task Manager: Reaper 1 and Reaper 2.
>>> When opened by NVDA, the task manager entry says Reaper x64, but when
>>> opened by Windoweyes neither of the 2 entries say x64.
>>>
>>> Some interaction of Wineyes Win7 and ReaAccess is opening 2 files, or
>>> maybe it's an erroneous display in Windows Task Manager.
>>> I tried the usual method in Task Manager of ending one of the files,
>>> but only succeeded in exiting Reaper.
>>> I changed a few cursorrrrr settings in Wineyes, thinking there's a
>>> setting that might open Reaper with only a single instance running, no
>>> luck so far.
>>>
>>> The fact that Wineyes can run Reaper 64 just fine, as long as
>>> ReaAccess is not installed, must indicate it's not a problem of how
>>> Wineyes opens Reaper, but some interaction between Wineyes and
>>> ReaAccess that doesn't occur in 32 bits.
>>> I tried to locate an actual reaAccess.exe to run Win7's troubleshoot
>>> compatibility mode on it, but can't find reaAccess.exe.
>>>
>>> I feel that the clue will be there, by comparing what is there in the
>>> Reaper folder in Program Files; with and without ReaAccess installed;
>>> and comparing what NVDA is doing with those files compared to what
>>> Wineyes is doing with them.
>>> This level of computer science is a mystery to me, though; I'll defer
>>> to you and Roy to hopefully discover something that will solve this.
>>>
>>> I notice in Reaper's installed data .ini file, whatever its proper
>>> title is, there is an entry Reaper 32 host equals 1, as well as Reaper
>>> 64 Host equals 1.
>>> I think I'll change that 1 for a zero on the 32 host entry, and see
>>> what happens.
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>> On 7/3/2012 12:34 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>> I believe ReaAccess uses the same files regardless of if you're running
>>>> 32 or 64-bit Reaper. If you install the 64-bit version of Reaper on a
>>>> 64-bit system, it will install properly. If, however, you install a
>>>> 32-bit version of Reaper on a 64-bit system, where that is the only
>>>> installed version of Reaper, the ReaAccess installer will look for a
>>>> 64-bit Reaper that doesn't exist, complain loudly, and not work at all.
>>>> If you have both the 32 and 64-bit Reaper installed, ReaAccess may only
>>>> work with the 64-bit version by default.
>>>>
>>>> I use the 32-bit version of Reaper on my 64-bit system to have access 
>>>> to
>>>> some old 32-bit DirectX plugins, which don't show up on any 64-bit DAW.
>>>> 32-bit bridging only works with VST plugins, not DirectX ones. I also
>>>> have the 64-bit version installed. However, to make Reaper32 and
>>>> ReaAccess play nice together on the two Windows 7 64 systems I put it
>>>> on, I had to copy all the files necessary for ReaAccess to work from
>>>> another working 32-bit Reaper directory, which was installed on a
>>>> Windows XP machine.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/2/2012 10:37 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>> You're right, I should insert several tracks, to be sure the method
>>>>> works in Windows 7 with NVDA.
>>>>> However, it's the same method I've been using with Wineyes 6.1 in XP,
>>>>> and there it always changes track properties for the selected track.
>>>>>
>>>>> meanwhile, I think I found a possible clue as to what's different when
>>>>> Reaper is opened with Wineyes as opposed to being opened with NVDA.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I start Reaper with NVDA, then press ctrl+shift+escape to open the
>>>>> Windows task manager, in the applications list I find Reaper X64
>>>>> running.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, if i open Reaper with Windoweyes, it locks up, and in the Windows
>>>>> Task Manager there are 2 instances of Reaper shown as running.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried ending one of the instances with E button, but only the top
>>>>> Reaper running 1 would close, no response when I tried closing Reaper
>>>>> running 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea how two instances could show when Wineyes opens Reaper,
>>>>> and only one when NVDA opens it, but maybe it's a clue as to what's
>>>>> going on.
>>>>> You know, Reaper opens just fine in Win7 64 with ReaAccess not
>>>>> installed, so it's something going on between Wineyes and ReaAccess,
>>>>> but
>>>>> only in Win7 64.
>>>>> Is there a special 64 bit version of ReaAccess, or only the one
>>>>> version?
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to find the .exe file for ReaAccess, in hopes of running
>>>>> windows
>>>>> 7's troubleshoot compatibility on it; but couldn't find anything 
>>>>> called
>>>>> reaAccess.exe.
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/2/2012 7:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>> this method really works.
>>>>>> if however , you have multiple tracks in a project , there might be a
>>>>>> difference between what you're told , and which track actually got
>>>>>> altered.
>>>>>> e.g insert 3 or 4 tracks.
>>>>>> change something in the first track e.g record mode , input , etc.
>>>>>> now , go down to another track and try the same method; do you
>>>>>> still get
>>>>>> a report on which track's properties got altered?
>>>>>> thanks a bunch
>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:58 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roy, I just looked at Reaper 4.22 again with NVDA.
>>>>>>> I inserted an empty track, armed it, pressed ctrl+up arrow to make
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> applications menu display.
>>>>>>> Then i selected the item with ctrl+shift+right arrow, even there was
>>>>>>> no actual item, then pressed the applications key, then down arrowed
>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>> I got the correct track options menu that begins Monitor input M.
>>>>>>> You can arrow down to click on monitor input midi, or monitor input
>>>>>>> audio.
>>>>>>> You can also select stereo there, instead of the default mono
>>>>>>> recording, plus many other track options not offered in ReaAccess
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the tab key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i find that if I don't do that little nonsense step of selecting the
>>>>>>> non existent item; when I press the applications key and down
>>>>>>> arrow; I
>>>>>>> get another menu that begins with Jump to Marker J
>>>>>>> Once the monitorr input M menu displays, it displays every time 
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> that, no problem.
>>>>>>> This behaveor is exactly the same for me in NVDA or Wineyes; any
>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>> Reaper version; in XP or Win7 64.
>>>>>>> Indigo L.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/2/2012 3:37 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>> I suspect yes , maybe it's a tiny little fix , but we don't have 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> source code , and the developers vanished for some odd reason.
>>>>>>>> well ... on to learning Python and re-writing ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:46 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can get to that from the track context menu. Is this now broken
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> later versions of reaper? This is actually the main reason I am
>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> using 3.7.x.
>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 6:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> for instance , the button that , when right-clicked on , brings
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>>>>> that assigns a track to a particular input; either midi or audio.
>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" 
>>>>>>>>>> <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:34 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A while back; just to understand if; and how; it could be done, 
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> installed a fresh copy of Reaper 4X plus ReaAccess, then 
>>>>>>>>>>> assigned
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> audio and midi interface settings, plus tried as many usual
>>>>>>>>>>> actions as
>>>>>>>>>>> I could think of, all with NVDA, and found work arounds for
>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>>> The part that concerned me was getting the midi portss enabled,
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> ; when I did them in Wineyes and Jaws; required Wineyes mouse
>>>>>>>>>>> pointer/jaws PC cursor moves at the numPad, but a little
>>>>>>>>>>> experimentation with NVDA +flat review, move to focus, move
>>>>>>>>>>> navigator
>>>>>>>>>>> object to mouse, and I got all midi ports enabled with NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember trying NVDA in Reaper's IO dialog, but I can't
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> of anything in there that NVDA can't accomplish.
>>>>>>>>>>> Right click menus seem very similar to what I get with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I still have Reaper 4.22 on this Win7 64 machine, so if you want
>>>>>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>>>>>> try some particular move with NVDA, let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll go to the midi editor and see if it's as easy to edit midi
>>>>>>>>>>> events as with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA will do your midi quantization work arounds; Roy, I 
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>> I was going to uninstall Reaper, from this computer; since it's
>>>>>>>>>>> totally impossible to run with Wineyes 7.5.22.
>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer Wineyes 6.1 to NVDA; in my XP daw; because I like to
>>>>>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>>>>>> the whole screen with wineyes num pad navigation keys, and feel
>>>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>>>> blinded by NVDA's lack of the same entire screen review 
>>>>>>>>>>> facility.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't doubt that very skilled NVDA user can find anything on a
>>>>>>>>>>> screen, it just frustrates me to get only bits and pieces;
>>>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>>>> there; with various shortcuts; instead of the entire screen
>>>>>>>>>>> all at
>>>>>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA ever gets easy screen navigation at the number pad, look
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>> My greatest frustration with NVDA lately is; on Win7; that it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> pop up Win7's U A C dialog for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> Instead it goes silent.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have poked around with the spacebar and pressing Y for yes, 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> actually got programs to run, but it's just guessing; no
>>>>>>>>>>> confirmation
>>>>>>>>>>> speech during the U A C dialog.
>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:17 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't actually needed to access those controls in that way,
>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do all that through ReaAccess. I am still using Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.7.x by
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. Maybe things are different now, not sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point though. NVDA sometimes won't see stuff like that,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> it reads the Izotope RX stand-alone stuff better than System
>>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>>> does, or Jaws, for that matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This entire discussion is kind of ironic, since all but one
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> SeroTalk podcasts are produced with Reaper... using NVDA. Oops!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you succeed in reading and right-clicking all the track
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel buttons using NVDA? e.g the i/o button , monitoring etc;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to read just with System Access's virtual mouse mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, System Access does, indeed, work fine with ReaAccess. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same API NVDA does. I prefer using it with NVDA though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reads some of the plugin interfaces a bit better than System
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Functionality is basically the same with all the stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, as is always the case, SA occasionally gets things that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misses, and the other way around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It hasn't been a one screenreader world for a while now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeh , system access works with no problems also on 64-bit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 64-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tryed system access?,...system access runs reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems,...I've been using it for 6 years now...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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