[RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64

Tue Jul 3 13:31:11 EDT 2012

Thanks, Roy.
I found it, but I don't know what needs to be done to it to make Wineyes 
run both Reaper and ReaAccess.
My personal solution is to record in XP.
A little while ago, I retested the workaround to get the track 
properties menu with NVDA; and it did alter the input mode on the wrong 
track, as you suspected it might.
Despite many different approaches, I would sometimes get the input 
monitor menu when pressing the applications key, and sometimes a Jump To 
Marker j menu, and sometimes a dialog for setting how the master VU 
meters read.
I don't get those glitches in XP; with either Wineyes or NVDA.
This is the friendliest computer for screenreaders I ever had, and 
Wineyes 7.5.2 is doing fine on Win7 64; but, for me, Win7 is better and 
more robust for surfing, and email; but I like the stability of XP for 
recording.
Indigo L

On 7/3/2012 10:58 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
> it's a dll called Reaper-Access , located in the Reaper (or Reaper x64)
> folder , in the plugins subdirectory.
> hope this helps
> Roy.
> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>
>
>> Patrick, when you say you copied all the 32 bit files necessary for
>> ReaAccess to work, can you list what those files are
>>
>> Last night I noticed that when I open Reaper with NVDA, there is a
>> single file called Reaper X64 running in Windows Task Manager, but
>> when I open Reaper with Wineyes there are two files running in Windows
>> Task Manager: Reaper 1 and Reaper 2.
>> When opened by NVDA, the task manager entry says Reaper x64, but when
>> opened by Windoweyes neither of the 2 entries say x64.
>>
>> Some interaction of Wineyes Win7 and ReaAccess is opening 2 files, or
>> maybe it's an erroneous display in Windows Task Manager.
>> I tried the usual method in Task Manager of ending one of the files,
>> but only succeeded in exiting Reaper.
>> I changed a few cursorrrrr settings in Wineyes, thinking there's a
>> setting that might open Reaper with only a single instance running, no
>> luck so far.
>>
>> The fact that Wineyes can run Reaper 64 just fine, as long as
>> ReaAccess is not installed, must indicate it's not a problem of how
>> Wineyes opens Reaper, but some interaction between Wineyes and
>> ReaAccess that doesn't occur in 32 bits.
>> I tried to locate an actual reaAccess.exe to run Win7's troubleshoot
>> compatibility mode on it, but can't find reaAccess.exe.
>>
>> I feel that the clue will be there, by comparing what is there in the
>> Reaper folder in Program Files; with and without ReaAccess installed;
>> and comparing what NVDA is doing with those files compared to what
>> Wineyes is doing with them.
>> This level of computer science is a mystery to me, though; I'll defer
>> to you and Roy to hopefully discover something that will solve this.
>>
>> I notice in Reaper's installed data .ini file, whatever its proper
>> title is, there is an entry Reaper 32 host equals 1, as well as Reaper
>> 64 Host equals 1.
>> I think I'll change that 1 for a zero on the 32 host entry, and see
>> what happens.
>> Indigo L
>>
>> On 7/3/2012 12:34 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>> I believe ReaAccess uses the same files regardless of if you're running
>>> 32 or 64-bit Reaper. If you install the 64-bit version of Reaper on a
>>> 64-bit system, it will install properly. If, however, you install a
>>> 32-bit version of Reaper on a 64-bit system, where that is the only
>>> installed version of Reaper, the ReaAccess installer will look for a
>>> 64-bit Reaper that doesn't exist, complain loudly, and not work at all.
>>> If you have both the 32 and 64-bit Reaper installed, ReaAccess may only
>>> work with the 64-bit version by default.
>>>
>>> I use the 32-bit version of Reaper on my 64-bit system to have access to
>>> some old 32-bit DirectX plugins, which don't show up on any 64-bit DAW.
>>> 32-bit bridging only works with VST plugins, not DirectX ones. I also
>>> have the 64-bit version installed. However, to make Reaper32 and
>>> ReaAccess play nice together on the two Windows 7 64 systems I put it
>>> on, I had to copy all the files necessary for ReaAccess to work from
>>> another working 32-bit Reaper directory, which was installed on a
>>> Windows XP machine.
>>>
>>> On 7/2/2012 10:37 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>> You're right, I should insert several tracks, to be sure the method
>>>> works in Windows 7 with NVDA.
>>>> However, it's the same method I've been using with Wineyes 6.1 in XP,
>>>> and there it always changes track properties for the selected track.
>>>>
>>>> meanwhile, I think I found a possible clue as to what's different when
>>>> Reaper is opened with Wineyes as opposed to being opened with NVDA.
>>>>
>>>> If I start Reaper with NVDA, then press ctrl+shift+escape to open the
>>>> Windows task manager, in the applications list I find Reaper X64
>>>> running.
>>>>
>>>> But, if i open Reaper with Windoweyes, it locks up, and in the Windows
>>>> Task Manager there are 2 instances of Reaper shown as running.
>>>>
>>>> I tried ending one of the instances with E button, but only the top
>>>> Reaper running 1 would close, no response when I tried closing Reaper
>>>> running 2.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how two instances could show when Wineyes opens Reaper,
>>>> and only one when NVDA opens it, but maybe it's a clue as to what's
>>>> going on.
>>>> You know, Reaper opens just fine in Win7 64 with ReaAccess not
>>>> installed, so it's something going on between Wineyes and ReaAccess,
>>>> but
>>>> only in Win7 64.
>>>> Is there a special 64 bit version of ReaAccess, or only the one
>>>> version?
>>>>
>>>> I tried to find the .exe file for ReaAccess, in hopes of running
>>>> windows
>>>> 7's troubleshoot compatibility on it; but couldn't find anything called
>>>> reaAccess.exe.
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>> On 7/2/2012 7:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> this method really works.
>>>>> if however , you have multiple tracks in a project , there might be a
>>>>> difference between what you're told , and which track actually got
>>>>> altered.
>>>>> e.g insert 3 or 4 tracks.
>>>>> change something in the first track e.g record mode , input , etc.
>>>>> now , go down to another track and try the same method; do you
>>>>> still get
>>>>> a report on which track's properties got altered?
>>>>> thanks a bunch
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:58 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roy, I just looked at Reaper 4.22 again with NVDA.
>>>>>> I inserted an empty track, armed it, pressed ctrl+up arrow to make
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> applications menu display.
>>>>>> Then i selected the item with ctrl+shift+right arrow, even there was
>>>>>> no actual item, then pressed the applications key, then down arrowed
>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>> I got the correct track options menu that begins Monitor input M.
>>>>>> You can arrow down to click on monitor input midi, or monitor input
>>>>>> audio.
>>>>>> You can also select stereo there, instead of the default mono
>>>>>> recording, plus many other track options not offered in ReaAccess
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the tab key.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i find that if I don't do that little nonsense step of selecting the
>>>>>> non existent item; when I press the applications key and down
>>>>>> arrow; I
>>>>>> get another menu that begins with Jump to Marker J
>>>>>> Once the monitorr input M menu displays, it displays every time after
>>>>>> that, no problem.
>>>>>> This behaveor is exactly the same for me in NVDA or Wineyes; any
>>>>>> later
>>>>>> Reaper version; in XP or Win7 64.
>>>>>> Indigo L.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/2/2012 3:37 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> I suspect yes , maybe it's a tiny little fix , but we don't have the
>>>>>>> source code , and the developers vanished for some odd reason.
>>>>>>> well ... on to learning Python and re-writing ReaAccess.
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:46 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can get to that from the track context menu. Is this now broken
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> later versions of reaper? This is actually the main reason I am
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> using 3.7.x.
>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 6:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> for instance , the button that , when right-clicked on , brings
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>>>> that assigns a track to a particular input; either midi or audio.
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A while back; just to understand if; and how; it could be done, I
>>>>>>>>>> installed a fresh copy of Reaper 4X plus ReaAccess, then assigned
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> audio and midi interface settings, plus tried as many usual
>>>>>>>>>> actions as
>>>>>>>>>> I could think of, all with NVDA, and found work arounds for
>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>> The part that concerned me was getting the midi portss enabled,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> ; when I did them in Wineyes and Jaws; required Wineyes mouse
>>>>>>>>>> pointer/jaws PC cursor moves at the numPad, but a little
>>>>>>>>>> experimentation with NVDA +flat review, move to focus, move
>>>>>>>>>> navigator
>>>>>>>>>> object to mouse, and I got all midi ports enabled with NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember trying NVDA in Reaper's IO dialog, but I can't
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> of anything in there that NVDA can't accomplish.
>>>>>>>>>> Right click menus seem very similar to what I get with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still have Reaper 4.22 on this Win7 64 machine, so if you want
>>>>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>>>>> try some particular move with NVDA, let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll go to the midi editor and see if it's as easy to edit midi
>>>>>>>>>> events as with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA will do your midi quantization work arounds; Roy, I think
>>>>>>>>>> nothing is lacking.
>>>>>>>>>> I was going to uninstall Reaper, from this computer; since it's
>>>>>>>>>> totally impossible to run with Wineyes 7.5.22.
>>>>>>>>>> I prefer Wineyes 6.1 to NVDA; in my XP daw; because I like to
>>>>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>>>>> the whole screen with wineyes num pad navigation keys, and feel
>>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>>> blinded by NVDA's lack of the same entire screen review facility.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't doubt that very skilled NVDA user can find anything on a
>>>>>>>>>> screen, it just frustrates me to get only bits and pieces;
>>>>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>>>>> there; with various shortcuts; instead of the entire screen
>>>>>>>>>> all at
>>>>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>>>>> If NVDA ever gets easy screen navigation at the number pad, look
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>>>> My greatest frustration with NVDA lately is; on Win7; that it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> pop up Win7's U A C dialog for me.
>>>>>>>>>> Instead it goes silent.
>>>>>>>>>> I have poked around with the spacebar and pressing Y for yes, and
>>>>>>>>>> actually got programs to run, but it's just guessing; no
>>>>>>>>>> confirmation
>>>>>>>>>> speech during the U A C dialog.
>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:17 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't actually needed to access those controls in that way,
>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>> I can do all that through ReaAccess. I am still using Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.7.x by
>>>>>>>>>>> choice. Maybe things are different now, not sure.
>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point though. NVDA sometimes won't see stuff like that,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> it reads the Izotope RX stand-alone stuff better than System
>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>> does, or Jaws, for that matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This entire discussion is kind of ironic, since all but one
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> SeroTalk podcasts are produced with Reaper... using NVDA. Oops!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hi Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>> do you succeed in reading and right-clicking all the track
>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>> panel buttons using NVDA? e.g the i/o button , monitoring etc;
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to read just with System Access's virtual mouse mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, System Access does, indeed, work fine with ReaAccess. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same API NVDA does. I prefer using it with NVDA though,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as it
>>>>>>>>>>>> reads some of the plugin interfaces a bit better than System
>>>>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Functionality is basically the same with all the stock
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, as is always the case, SA occasionally gets things that
>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>> misses, and the other way around.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It hasn't been a one screenreader world for a while now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeh , system access works with no problems also on 64-bit with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 64-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tryed system access?,...system access runs reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems,...I've been using it for 6 years now...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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