[RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
Patrick Perdue
patrick at pdaudio.net
Tue Jul 3 00:34:29 EDT 2012
I believe ReaAccess uses the same files regardless of if you're running
32 or 64-bit Reaper. If you install the 64-bit version of Reaper on a
64-bit system, it will install properly. If, however, you install a
32-bit version of Reaper on a 64-bit system, where that is the only
installed version of Reaper, the ReaAccess installer will look for a
64-bit Reaper that doesn't exist, complain loudly, and not work at all.
If you have both the 32 and 64-bit Reaper installed, ReaAccess may only
work with the 64-bit version by default.
I use the 32-bit version of Reaper on my 64-bit system to have access to
some old 32-bit DirectX plugins, which don't show up on any 64-bit DAW.
32-bit bridging only works with VST plugins, not DirectX ones. I also
have the 64-bit version installed. However, to make Reaper32 and
ReaAccess play nice together on the two Windows 7 64 systems I put it
on, I had to copy all the files necessary for ReaAccess to work from
another working 32-bit Reaper directory, which was installed on a
Windows XP machine.
On 7/2/2012 10:37 PM, Indigo wrote:
> You're right, I should insert several tracks, to be sure the method
> works in Windows 7 with NVDA.
> However, it's the same method I've been using with Wineyes 6.1 in XP,
> and there it always changes track properties for the selected track.
>
> meanwhile, I think I found a possible clue as to what's different when
> Reaper is opened with Wineyes as opposed to being opened with NVDA.
>
> If I start Reaper with NVDA, then press ctrl+shift+escape to open the
> Windows task manager, in the applications list I find Reaper X64 running.
>
> But, if i open Reaper with Windoweyes, it locks up, and in the Windows
> Task Manager there are 2 instances of Reaper shown as running.
>
> I tried ending one of the instances with E button, but only the top
> Reaper running 1 would close, no response when I tried closing Reaper
> running 2.
>
> I have no idea how two instances could show when Wineyes opens Reaper,
> and only one when NVDA opens it, but maybe it's a clue as to what's
> going on.
> You know, Reaper opens just fine in Win7 64 with ReaAccess not
> installed, so it's something going on between Wineyes and ReaAccess, but
> only in Win7 64.
> Is there a special 64 bit version of ReaAccess, or only the one version?
>
> I tried to find the .exe file for ReaAccess, in hopes of running windows
> 7's troubleshoot compatibility on it; but couldn't find anything called
> reaAccess.exe.
> Indigo L
>
> On 7/2/2012 7:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>> this method really works.
>> if however , you have multiple tracks in a project , there might be a
>> difference between what you're told , and which track actually got
>> altered.
>> e.g insert 3 or 4 tracks.
>> change something in the first track e.g record mode , input , etc.
>> now , go down to another track and try the same method; do you still get
>> a report on which track's properties got altered?
>> thanks a bunch
>> Roy.
>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>
>>
>>> Roy, I just looked at Reaper 4.22 again with NVDA.
>>> I inserted an empty track, armed it, pressed ctrl+up arrow to make the
>>> applications menu display.
>>> Then i selected the item with ctrl+shift+right arrow, even there was
>>> no actual item, then pressed the applications key, then down arrowed
>>> quickly.
>>> I got the correct track options menu that begins Monitor input M.
>>> You can arrow down to click on monitor input midi, or monitor input
>>> audio.
>>> You can also select stereo there, instead of the default mono
>>> recording, plus many other track options not offered in ReaAccess from
>>> the tab key.
>>>
>>> i find that if I don't do that little nonsense step of selecting the
>>> non existent item; when I press the applications key and down arrow; I
>>> get another menu that begins with Jump to Marker J
>>> Once the monitorr input M menu displays, it displays every time after
>>> that, no problem.
>>> This behaveor is exactly the same for me in NVDA or Wineyes; any later
>>> Reaper version; in XP or Win7 64.
>>> Indigo L.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/2/2012 3:37 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>> I suspect yes , maybe it's a tiny little fix , but we don't have the
>>>> source code , and the developers vanished for some odd reason.
>>>> well ... on to learning Python and re-writing ReaAccess.
>>>> best
>>>> Roy.
>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I can get to that from the track context menu. Is this now broken with
>>>>> later versions of reaper? This is actually the main reason I am still
>>>>> using 3.7.x.
>>>>> On 7/1/2012 6:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>> for instance , the button that , when right-clicked on , brings the
>>>>>> menu
>>>>>> that assigns a track to a particular input; either midi or audio.
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A while back; just to understand if; and how; it could be done, I
>>>>>>> installed a fresh copy of Reaper 4X plus ReaAccess, then assigned
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> audio and midi interface settings, plus tried as many usual
>>>>>>> actions as
>>>>>>> I could think of, all with NVDA, and found work arounds for
>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>> The part that concerned me was getting the midi portss enabled,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> ; when I did them in Wineyes and Jaws; required Wineyes mouse
>>>>>>> pointer/jaws PC cursor moves at the numPad, but a little
>>>>>>> experimentation with NVDA +flat review, move to focus, move
>>>>>>> navigator
>>>>>>> object to mouse, and I got all midi ports enabled with NVDA.
>>>>>>> I don't remember trying NVDA in Reaper's IO dialog, but I can't
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> of anything in there that NVDA can't accomplish.
>>>>>>> Right click menus seem very similar to what I get with Wineyes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still have Reaper 4.22 on this Win7 64 machine, so if you want
>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>> try some particular move with NVDA, let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll go to the midi editor and see if it's as easy to edit midi
>>>>>>> events as with Wineyes.
>>>>>>> If NVDA will do your midi quantization work arounds; Roy, I think
>>>>>>> nothing is lacking.
>>>>>>> I was going to uninstall Reaper, from this computer; since it's
>>>>>>> totally impossible to run with Wineyes 7.5.22.
>>>>>>> I prefer Wineyes 6.1 to NVDA; in my XP daw; because I like to
>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>> the whole screen with wineyes num pad navigation keys, and feel half
>>>>>>> blinded by NVDA's lack of the same entire screen review facility.
>>>>>>> I don't doubt that very skilled NVDA user can find anything on a
>>>>>>> screen, it just frustrates me to get only bits and pieces; here and
>>>>>>> there; with various shortcuts; instead of the entire screen all at
>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>> If NVDA ever gets easy screen navigation at the number pad, look out
>>>>>>> Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>> My greatest frustration with NVDA lately is; on Win7; that it
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> pop up Win7's U A C dialog for me.
>>>>>>> Instead it goes silent.
>>>>>>> I have poked around with the spacebar and pressing Y for yes, and
>>>>>>> actually got programs to run, but it's just guessing; no
>>>>>>> confirmation
>>>>>>> speech during the U A C dialog.
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:17 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>> I haven't actually needed to access those controls in that way,
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> I can do all that through ReaAccess. I am still using Reaper
>>>>>>>> 3.7.x by
>>>>>>>> choice. Maybe things are different now, not sure.
>>>>>>>> Case in point though. NVDA sometimes won't see stuff like that, but
>>>>>>>> it reads the Izotope RX stand-alone stuff better than System Access
>>>>>>>> does, or Jaws, for that matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This entire discussion is kind of ironic, since all but one of the
>>>>>>>> SeroTalk podcasts are produced with Reaper... using NVDA. Oops!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi Patrick
>>>>>>>>> do you succeed in reading and right-clicking all the track control
>>>>>>>>> panel buttons using NVDA? e.g the i/o button , monitoring etc;
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> seem to read just with System Access's virtual mouse mode.
>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, System Access does, indeed, work fine with ReaAccess. It uses
>>>>>>>>> the same API NVDA does. I prefer using it with NVDA though, as it
>>>>>>>>> reads some of the plugin interfaces a bit better than System
>>>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>>>> does. Functionality is basically the same with all the stock
>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>> But, as is always the case, SA occasionally gets things that NVDA
>>>>>>>>> misses, and the other way around.
>>>>>>>>> It hasn't been a one screenreader world for a while now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yeh , system access works with no problems also on 64-bit with
>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 64-bit.
>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you tryed system access?,...system access runs reaper
>>>>>>>>>> with no
>>>>>>>>>> problems,...I've been using it for 6 years now...
>>>>>>>>>>
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