[RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
Indigo
33indigo at charter.net
Mon Jul 2 22:37:20 EDT 2012
You're right, I should insert several tracks, to be sure the method
works in Windows 7 with NVDA.
However, it's the same method I've been using with Wineyes 6.1 in XP,
and there it always changes track properties for the selected track.
meanwhile, I think I found a possible clue as to what's different when
Reaper is opened with Wineyes as opposed to being opened with NVDA.
If I start Reaper with NVDA, then press ctrl+shift+escape to open the
Windows task manager, in the applications list I find Reaper X64 running.
But, if i open Reaper with Windoweyes, it locks up, and in the Windows
Task Manager there are 2 instances of Reaper shown as running.
I tried ending one of the instances with E button, but only the top
Reaper running 1 would close, no response when I tried closing Reaper
running 2.
I have no idea how two instances could show when Wineyes opens Reaper,
and only one when NVDA opens it, but maybe it's a clue as to what's
going on.
You know, Reaper opens just fine in Win7 64 with ReaAccess not
installed, so it's something going on between Wineyes and ReaAccess, but
only in Win7 64.
Is there a special 64 bit version of ReaAccess, or only the one version?
I tried to find the .exe file for ReaAccess, in hopes of running windows
7's troubleshoot compatibility on it; but couldn't find anything called
reaAccess.exe.
Indigo L
On 7/2/2012 7:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
> this method really works.
> if however , you have multiple tracks in a project , there might be a
> difference between what you're told , and which track actually got altered.
> e.g insert 3 or 4 tracks.
> change something in the first track e.g record mode , input , etc.
> now , go down to another track and try the same method; do you still get
> a report on which track's properties got altered?
> thanks a bunch
> Roy.
> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>
>
>> Roy, I just looked at Reaper 4.22 again with NVDA.
>> I inserted an empty track, armed it, pressed ctrl+up arrow to make the
>> applications menu display.
>> Then i selected the item with ctrl+shift+right arrow, even there was
>> no actual item, then pressed the applications key, then down arrowed
>> quickly.
>> I got the correct track options menu that begins Monitor input M.
>> You can arrow down to click on monitor input midi, or monitor input
>> audio.
>> You can also select stereo there, instead of the default mono
>> recording, plus many other track options not offered in ReaAccess from
>> the tab key.
>>
>> i find that if I don't do that little nonsense step of selecting the
>> non existent item; when I press the applications key and down arrow; I
>> get another menu that begins with Jump to Marker J
>> Once the monitorr input M menu displays, it displays every time after
>> that, no problem.
>> This behaveor is exactly the same for me in NVDA or Wineyes; any later
>> Reaper version; in XP or Win7 64.
>> Indigo L.
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/2012 3:37 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> I suspect yes , maybe it's a tiny little fix , but we don't have the
>>> source code , and the developers vanished for some odd reason.
>>> well ... on to learning Python and re-writing ReaAccess.
>>> best
>>> Roy.
>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>
>>>
>>>> I can get to that from the track context menu. Is this now broken with
>>>> later versions of reaper? This is actually the main reason I am still
>>>> using 3.7.x.
>>>> On 7/1/2012 6:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> for instance , the button that , when right-clicked on , brings the
>>>>> menu
>>>>> that assigns a track to a particular input; either midi or audio.
>>>>> best
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:34 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A while back; just to understand if; and how; it could be done, I
>>>>>> installed a fresh copy of Reaper 4X plus ReaAccess, then assigned the
>>>>>> audio and midi interface settings, plus tried as many usual
>>>>>> actions as
>>>>>> I could think of, all with NVDA, and found work arounds for
>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>> The part that concerned me was getting the midi portss enabled, which
>>>>>> ; when I did them in Wineyes and Jaws; required Wineyes mouse
>>>>>> pointer/jaws PC cursor moves at the numPad, but a little
>>>>>> experimentation with NVDA +flat review, move to focus, move navigator
>>>>>> object to mouse, and I got all midi ports enabled with NVDA.
>>>>>> I don't remember trying NVDA in Reaper's IO dialog, but I can't think
>>>>>> of anything in there that NVDA can't accomplish.
>>>>>> Right click menus seem very similar to what I get with Wineyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still have Reaper 4.22 on this Win7 64 machine, so if you want
>>>>>> me to
>>>>>> try some particular move with NVDA, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll go to the midi editor and see if it's as easy to edit midi
>>>>>> events as with Wineyes.
>>>>>> If NVDA will do your midi quantization work arounds; Roy, I think
>>>>>> nothing is lacking.
>>>>>> I was going to uninstall Reaper, from this computer; since it's
>>>>>> totally impossible to run with Wineyes 7.5.22.
>>>>>> I prefer Wineyes 6.1 to NVDA; in my XP daw; because I like to look at
>>>>>> the whole screen with wineyes num pad navigation keys, and feel half
>>>>>> blinded by NVDA's lack of the same entire screen review facility.
>>>>>> I don't doubt that very skilled NVDA user can find anything on a
>>>>>> screen, it just frustrates me to get only bits and pieces; here and
>>>>>> there; with various shortcuts; instead of the entire screen all at
>>>>>> once.
>>>>>> If NVDA ever gets easy screen navigation at the number pad, look out
>>>>>> Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>> My greatest frustration with NVDA lately is; on Win7; that it doesn't
>>>>>> pop up Win7's U A C dialog for me.
>>>>>> Instead it goes silent.
>>>>>> I have poked around with the spacebar and pressing Y for yes, and
>>>>>> actually got programs to run, but it's just guessing; no confirmation
>>>>>> speech during the U A C dialog.
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:17 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> I haven't actually needed to access those controls in that way,
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> I can do all that through ReaAccess. I am still using Reaper
>>>>>>> 3.7.x by
>>>>>>> choice. Maybe things are different now, not sure.
>>>>>>> Case in point though. NVDA sometimes won't see stuff like that, but
>>>>>>> it reads the Izotope RX stand-alone stuff better than System Access
>>>>>>> does, or Jaws, for that matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This entire discussion is kind of ironic, since all but one of the
>>>>>>> SeroTalk podcasts are produced with Reaper... using NVDA. Oops!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi Patrick
>>>>>>>> do you succeed in reading and right-clicking all the track control
>>>>>>>> panel buttons using NVDA? e.g the i/o button , monitoring etc;
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> seem to read just with System Access's virtual mouse mode.
>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, System Access does, indeed, work fine with ReaAccess. It uses
>>>>>>>> the same API NVDA does. I prefer using it with NVDA though, as it
>>>>>>>> reads some of the plugin interfaces a bit better than System Access
>>>>>>>> does. Functionality is basically the same with all the stock Reaper
>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>> But, as is always the case, SA occasionally gets things that NVDA
>>>>>>>> misses, and the other way around.
>>>>>>>> It hasn't been a one screenreader world for a while now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yeh , system access works with no problems also on 64-bit with
>>>>>>>>> Reaper 64-bit.
>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Windoweyes Still Can't Run Reaper 64
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you tryed system access?,...system access runs reaper with no
>>>>>>>>> problems,...I've been using it for 6 years now...
>>>>>>>>>
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