[RWP] ReaAccess 2.0? Some thoughts

Thu Jan 12 20:05:14 EST 2012

yes , Fractal Tune Smithy , really wonderful. guess I'll buy the full 
license next month.
best
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] ReaAccess 2.0? Some thoughts


> The Cockos forums are full of sighted users who want some particular 
> change  in reaper, and sometimes that user is the only one, or maybe there 
> are 3 or 4 that think it's  a good idea, but they're persistent and vocal.
> If the programmers agree, it'll happen.
> More often, though, other smart programmers who frequent the forums find 
> workArounds, if they get fired up on the idea.
> There are usually at least 2 or 3 ways to approach any operation in 
> reaper, so if you can clearly express what you can't get at, somebody 
> might suggest an alternative method.
> Getting help is a social thing, like everything else, a bllind person 
> needs to become known, and accepted not as a freak, but as just another 
> Reaper user, who has different needs, and somebody will volunteer.
> I don't at all believe that developers make every change in their product 
> only for profit.
> There are still plenty of generous and helpful folks out there.
> I got the changes in the little program Fractal tuneSmithy,because the 
> developer became intrigued with learning what a screenreader would see in 
> his program; Roy Shtupler asked Rob Papen for and got registry entries to 
> expose screen text in Predator and Blue; I asked PropellerHeads for a few 
> affordable developer's licenses for Reason 6, and got them, and a small 
> group of us are now learning how to run Reason 6.
> The developers aren't stupid, they realize what we learn might or might 
> not result in more sales of reason 6 to blind musicians.
> The approach that gets results is to be polite, professional and 
> reasonable.
> I don't think petitions asking for a generality like increased 
> screenreader access could ever have any good effect.
> could you like for someone to get up a petition to force you to do 
> something?
> It's bound to get your hackles up,and piss you off, and you're more likely 
> to do the opposite.
> That's how I am, I hate for anyone to threaten or force me to do anything, 
> and plenty of others feel the same way.
> One of the greatest fears of small businesses in the US is that the 
> government will suddenly require equal access provisions that will cost so 
> much to implement that their struggling business will go belly up.
> As an example, I know of instances where small towns around here were 
> forced to put wheelchair ramps sloping off sidewalks, at a cost of $16,000 
> each, because of exact government provisions that must be met, and these 
> were for 1 user only.
> You know I sympathize with anybody in a wheelchair, but I also know that I 
> could have made a working ramp myself, by hand, for no more than $200, 
> because I've made some concrete ramps around my place here, for 
> wheelbarrows to roll smoothly off sidewalks.
> These small towns are barely scraping by these days to find enough cash to 
> hire fireman and police, or keep the waterworks running.
>
> Indigo L
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> On 1/11/2012 9:43 PM, Dave wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Guess that depends upon the number of Blind users that use Reaper at
>> this time.
>>
>> As usual, there are about 12 of us, and even if we numbered 112, that
>> number would hardly register when compared with the Sighted customer
>> base numbers.
>>
>> The Blind users groups, for just about any software, just do not have
>> the numbers needed to really grab the attention of what ever Developer,
>> of what ever software package.
>>
>> Seems like the Blind community has to find a yet to be discovered
>> program, that is very good, and has one starving Developer, that will do
>> almost anything to start getting a Cash Flow from his product.
>>
>> Only then do we get Accessibility issues addressed. Then after the guy
>> does a few updates, that incorporate a few good changes for the Screen
>> Reader crowd, not enough buy his program, because so many screen reader
>> users are broke, or are looking for a Free update, or just outright
>> steal the software, no matter what taste it might leave in the
>> struggling Developers mouth.
>>
>> Not sure why Ivan, the guy that created Reaaccess, has chosen to stop
>> his own efforts. I was hopeful, but looks like that hope has diminished
>> along with the other previous projects to give full access to a quality
>> Recording program.
>>
>> If Mr. Ivan would have really given us a solid, Total access, I would
>> have paid him $200 for such an ability. $200 is about my top end limit,
>> unless I suddenly wake up with a lot more extra cash in my pockets.
>>
>> I paid a lot of my own money for my computer, and for the Screen Reader
>> that allows me to have limited access to most programs. When the Screen
>> Reader software costs more than my computer, well, I just don't care for
>> it. Seems a bit odd, unless most sales are paid for by the Government,
>> which is sure to raise the pricing of most anything. Perhaps it is just
>> me that has the wrong idea of what fair market pricing should be?
>>
>> Sorry, I am off on another rant. Sorry about the Reaper program not
>> getting any further access, at least it looks that way for the short
>> term, if I were optimistic.
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>>> Hello,
>>> I guess we may have to put up with no further ReaAccess versions, at
>>> least this is what I learn from recent discussions on this list.
>>> I sent an email to Cockos a couple of months ago asking for their plans
>>> on direct accessibility support. They indicated that they have
>>> screenreader support on their list but - like with so many SW projects -
>>> this list may be long.
>>> Nevertheless, I think the only way to support accessibility in the long
>>> run will be to integrate it directly into the Reaper code.
>>> On Windows systems there are many ways to do it, Microsoft UI Automation
>>> beeing probably the most promissing at the moment.
>>> Exposing all UI elements to UIA would allow all modern screenreaders to
>>> work without any extra plugins or auxiliary technology.
>>> Reaper already allows all important actions to be bound to key strokes
>>> and so this should not create a problem.
>>> I wonder if a feature request signed by as many active visually impaired
>>> Reaper users as possible could help in bringing this task a bit closer
>>> to the top of Cockos's todo list.
>>> Their reply to my email left me with the impression that they were not
>>> even aware of ReaAccess and what it does.
>>> On the other hand screenreader compatibility could help them boost their
>>> sales, especially for public institutions who are bound to provide
>>> accessible solutions.
>>>
>>> What do you guys think?
>>> /Roland
>>>
>>>
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