[RWP] Very simple question

Sat Feb 18 16:40:57 EST 2012

yes , it's the same thing , only with 2 seperate steps instead of 1.
good luck
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question


> Thanks, Roy, I'll try that procedure.
> Maybe my glitch at the end of the loop has been caused from chopping off 
> the soft synth's onboard delay too quickly.
> I also read that simultaneously recording a midi loop; plus an audio loop; 
> on a separate track is a good error free method, and As soon as I get the 
> proper sends and returns sorted out in my mind;  I'll try that method 
> also.
>
> That simultaneous midi and audio method could come to the same thing as 
> rendering the midi to audio afterwards, requiring the same computer 
> calculations; I'll find out; I guess.
> Thanks again,
> Indigo L
>
>
> On 2/17/2012 8:11 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>> record the 2 measure midi loop once.
>> then , render it to audio with some extra space for the sound tale not
>> to cut off.
>> in the project settings there's an option of determining how overlapping
>> items behave; set this to "always mix".
>> now , go to the rendered loop; copy the first 2 measures , then paste
>> them as many times as you desire.
>> see if this is closer to what you wish to hear.
>> hope this helps
>> Roy.http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>
>>
>>> I will try Reaper 4.x, maybe small calculation errors are fixed.
>>> You know, I get as many tips from www.gearslutz.com now as from Cockos
>>> forums.
>>> All kinds of refugees from ProTools, Cubase, whatever, to Reaper are
>>> there, some now running commercial studios based on Reaper.
>>> I find many of the same problems i encounter, like getting reliable
>>> seamless loops.
>>> Maybe I should not record my loops in midi at all, but directly in
>>> audio in Sound Forge.
>>> I don't remember a way to preset recording length in Sound Forge, but
>>> I'll bet it's there.
>>> It's not that I don't know how to trim loops, I got that down many
>>> years ago, it just shouldn't ever be required if the software is doing
>>> its job
>>> 2 measures is 2 measures, not even 1 sample more or less.
>>> When I get the perfect 2 measure midi loop that repeats seamlessly,
>>> then render it to .wav, there's a gapbetween repeats that wasn't there
>>> in the midi loop.
>>> That should never happen.
>>> Computers are supposed to be perfect counting devices.
>>> That's their strength.
>>> If they can't get the sum right, we may as well go back to counting on
>>> our fingers and toes. smile.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2012 11:39 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>> you may try it with V4 and see if it behaves better.
>>>> best
>>>> Roy.
>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Roy.
>>>>> If I can get loops to repeat seamlessly, now that I can quickly
>>>>> control 32 tracks with the Behringer BCF2000, I'll have something like
>>>>> Sonar's Matrix in Reaper.
>>>>> I don't really care whether it's in Sonar or Reaper, it's nice to have
>>>>> as many options as possible.
>>>>> That'll be great when you have Python and can update ReaAccess as
>>>>> required.
>>>>> Like the old civil rights hymn says, "Free at last, Free at last,
>>>>> Hallaluja, Free at last!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2012 7:21 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>> the option with length and rate allows audio items to follow project
>>>>>> tempo changes.
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:12 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In project settings, I remember already trying setting Time Base
>>>>>>> Items/Envelopes/markers set to either Beat Position, rate; or; Beat
>>>>>>> Position Only; and didn't notice any difference.
>>>>>>> I think I'll continue to use record touch; which I know for sure
>>>>>>> begins recording at exactly 000.00, and always keeps the metronome 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> perfect sync with synth arpeggios.
>>>>>>> Instead of using Limit Project Length, though, I think I'll try
>>>>>>> placing a marker at the end of 2 measures.
>>>>>>> I can assign the action stop recording to the end marker.
>>>>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if Limit Project Length in Project settings
>>>>>>> advance was ever meant to be totally accurate, or was just
>>>>>>> intended to
>>>>>>> limit the length of long recordings, rather than have them use up 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> entire available drive space, like in a situation at a live concert,
>>>>>>> where one forgot to return to the computer and shut off recording.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/16/2012 4:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>> try checking the length of the midi item in the item properties
>>>>>>>> dialog
>>>>>>>> (Shift+F2) with the item in question selected , and see if it's
>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>> 2 measures.
>>>>>>>> of course , don't forget to set the measurement to beats rather 
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>> hope this helps
>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:36 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get reaper to be a very simple loop recorder.
>>>>>>>>> I hear an inspiring sequence or arpeggio in one of my VST
>>>>>>>>> instruments,and want to record an exactly 2 measure or exactly 4
>>>>>>>>> measure loop in Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> I set track properties to record touch.
>>>>>>>>> This means that I don't need to concern myself with beginning the
>>>>>>>>> recording at exactly 000, after metronome countdown; Reaper only
>>>>>>>>> begins recording when i touch the keyboard keys a at 000, and
>>>>>>>>> recording is supposed to end at exactly the end of 2 measures.
>>>>>>>>> There is supposed to be no missing first note; and also no silence
>>>>>>>>> before recording begins.
>>>>>>>>> Okay, so good so far.
>>>>>>>>> I set up, in project properties, advanced, to limit length of
>>>>>>>>> recording to exactly 2 measures.
>>>>>>>>> But, although Reaper is set to limit recording length to exactly 2
>>>>>>>>> measures; there's a little error between my intended 2 measure 
>>>>>>>>> loop
>>>>>>>>> legth lenth and what actually occurs.
>>>>>>>>> This discrepancy was a known math bug way back in Reaper 1, but 
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> supposedly fixed in later versions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, even when I manage to record an exact 2 measure seamless 
>>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>>> loop, when I render the 2 measure midi loop to audio, there's an
>>>>>>>>> audible gap between repeats of the audio loop.
>>>>>>>>> Sure, I can take the audio loop to Sound Forge and spend time
>>>>>>>>> trimming
>>>>>>>>> the length and finding the exact zero crossing point to end up
>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>> perfect loop, but I shouldn't have to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I begin with a 2 measure midi loop that loops seamlessly, I
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> get a 2 measure seamless audio loop.
>>>>>>>>> Audio latency can't be the cause, I'm getting 5 ms or less 
>>>>>>>>> latency.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2 measures is 2 measures, why can't I get Reaper to record what
>>>>>>>>> I set
>>>>>>>>> it to record, and not run over that length; or stop recording
>>>>>>>>> short of
>>>>>>>>> the 2 measure recording length I previoussly set?
>>>>>>>>> I don't get it, what's the problem here?
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know a better setup to achieve what I want??
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>
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