[RWP] Very simple question

[indigo]

Thanks, Roy, I'll try that procedure.
Maybe my glitch at the end of the loop has been caused from chopping off 
the soft synth's onboard delay too quickly.
I also read that simultaneously recording a midi loop; plus an audio 
loop; on a separate track is a good error free method, and As soon as I 
get the proper sends and returns sorted out in my mind;  I'll try that 
method also.

That simultaneous midi and audio method could come to the same thing as 
rendering the midi to audio afterwards, requiring the same computer 
calculations; I'll find out; I guess.
Thanks again,
Indigo L


On 2/17/2012 8:11 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
> record the 2 measure midi loop once.
> then , render it to audio with some extra space for the sound tale not
> to cut off.
> in the project settings there's an option of determining how overlapping
> items behave; set this to "always mix".
> now , go to the rendered loop; copy the first 2 measures , then paste
> them as many times as you desire.
> see if this is closer to what you wish to hear.
> hope this helps
> Roy.http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>
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>> I will try Reaper 4.x, maybe small calculation errors are fixed.
>> You know, I get as many tips from www.gearslutz.com now as from Cockos
>> forums.
>> All kinds of refugees from ProTools, Cubase, whatever, to Reaper are
>> there, some now running commercial studios based on Reaper.
>> I find many of the same problems i encounter, like getting reliable
>> seamless loops.
>> Maybe I should not record my loops in midi at all, but directly in
>> audio in Sound Forge.
>> I don't remember a way to preset recording length in Sound Forge, but
>> I'll bet it's there.
>> It's not that I don't know how to trim loops, I got that down many
>> years ago, it just shouldn't ever be required if the software is doing
>> its job
>> 2 measures is 2 measures, not even 1 sample more or less.
>> When I get the perfect 2 measure midi loop that repeats seamlessly,
>> then render it to .wav, there's a gapbetween repeats that wasn't there
>> in the midi loop.
>> That should never happen.
>> Computers are supposed to be perfect counting devices.
>> That's their strength.
>> If they can't get the sum right, we may as well go back to counting on
>> our fingers and toes. smile.
>> Thanks,
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/2012 11:39 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> you may try it with V4 and see if it behaves better.
>>> best
>>> Roy.
>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Roy.
>>>> If I can get loops to repeat seamlessly, now that I can quickly
>>>> control 32 tracks with the Behringer BCF2000, I'll have something like
>>>> Sonar's Matrix in Reaper.
>>>> I don't really care whether it's in Sonar or Reaper, it's nice to have
>>>> as many options as possible.
>>>> That'll be great when you have Python and can update ReaAccess as
>>>> required.
>>>> Like the old civil rights hymn says, "Free at last, Free at last,
>>>> Hallaluja, Free at last!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2012 7:21 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> the option with length and rate allows audio items to follow project
>>>>> tempo changes.
>>>>> best
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:12 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In project settings, I remember already trying setting Time Base
>>>>>> Items/Envelopes/markers set to either Beat Position, rate; or; Beat
>>>>>> Position Only; and didn't notice any difference.
>>>>>> I think I'll continue to use record touch; which I know for sure
>>>>>> begins recording at exactly 000.00, and always keeps the metronome in
>>>>>> perfect sync with synth arpeggios.
>>>>>> Instead of using Limit Project Length, though, I think I'll try
>>>>>> placing a marker at the end of 2 measures.
>>>>>> I can assign the action stop recording to the end marker.
>>>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if Limit Project Length in Project settings
>>>>>> advance was ever meant to be totally accurate, or was just
>>>>>> intended to
>>>>>> limit the length of long recordings, rather than have them use up the
>>>>>> entire available drive space, like in a situation at a live concert,
>>>>>> where one forgot to return to the computer and shut off recording.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/16/2012 4:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> try checking the length of the midi item in the item properties
>>>>>>> dialog
>>>>>>> (Shift+F2) with the item in question selected , and see if it's
>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>> 2 measures.
>>>>>>> of course , don't forget to set the measurement to beats rather than
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> hope this helps
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:36 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get reaper to be a very simple loop recorder.
>>>>>>>> I hear an inspiring sequence or arpeggio in one of my VST
>>>>>>>> instruments,and want to record an exactly 2 measure or exactly 4
>>>>>>>> measure loop in Reaper.
>>>>>>>> I set track properties to record touch.
>>>>>>>> This means that I don't need to concern myself with beginning the
>>>>>>>> recording at exactly 000, after metronome countdown; Reaper only
>>>>>>>> begins recording when i touch the keyboard keys a at 000, and
>>>>>>>> recording is supposed to end at exactly the end of 2 measures.
>>>>>>>> There is supposed to be no missing first note; and also no silence
>>>>>>>> before recording begins.
>>>>>>>> Okay, so good so far.
>>>>>>>> I set up, in project properties, advanced, to limit length of
>>>>>>>> recording to exactly 2 measures.
>>>>>>>> But, although Reaper is set to limit recording length to exactly 2
>>>>>>>> measures; there's a little error between my intended 2 measure loop
>>>>>>>> legth lenth and what actually occurs.
>>>>>>>> This discrepancy was a known math bug way back in Reaper 1, but was
>>>>>>>> supposedly fixed in later versions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, even when I manage to record an exact 2 measure seamless midi
>>>>>>>> loop, when I render the 2 measure midi loop to audio, there's an
>>>>>>>> audible gap between repeats of the audio loop.
>>>>>>>> Sure, I can take the audio loop to Sound Forge and spend time
>>>>>>>> trimming
>>>>>>>> the length and finding the exact zero crossing point to end up
>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>> perfect loop, but I shouldn't have to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I begin with a 2 measure midi loop that loops seamlessly, I
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> get a 2 measure seamless audio loop.
>>>>>>>> Audio latency can't be the cause, I'm getting 5 ms or less latency.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2 measures is 2 measures, why can't I get Reaper to record what
>>>>>>>> I set
>>>>>>>> it to record, and not run over that length; or stop recording
>>>>>>>> short of
>>>>>>>> the 2 measure recording length I previoussly set?
>>>>>>>> I don't get it, what's the problem here?
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know a better setup to achieve what I want??
>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
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