[RWP] Very simple question

Fri Feb 17 20:11:55 EST 2012

record the 2 measure midi loop once.
then , render it to audio with some extra space for the sound tale not to 
cut off.
in the project settings there's an option of determining how overlapping 
items behave; set this to "always mix".
now , go to the rendered loop; copy the first 2 measures , then paste them 
as many times as you desire.
see if this is closer to what you wish to hear.
hope this helps
Roy.http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question


>I will try Reaper 4.x, maybe small calculation errors are fixed.
> You know, I get as many tips from www.gearslutz.com now as from Cockos 
> forums.
> All kinds of refugees from ProTools, Cubase, whatever, to Reaper are 
> there, some now running commercial studios based on  Reaper.
> I find many of the same problems i encounter, like getting reliable 
> seamless loops.
> Maybe I should not record my loops in midi at all, but directly in audio 
> in Sound Forge.
> I don't remember a way to preset recording length in Sound Forge, but I'll 
> bet it's there.
> It's not that I don't know how to trim loops, I got that down many years 
> ago, it just shouldn't ever be required if the software is doing its job
> 2 measures is 2 measures, not even 1 sample more or less.
> When I get the perfect 2 measure midi loop that repeats seamlessly, then 
> render it to .wav, there's a gapbetween repeats that wasn't there in the 
> midi loop.
> That should never happen.
> Computers are supposed to be perfect counting devices.
> That's their strength.
> If they can't get the sum right, we may as well go back to counting on our 
> fingers and toes. smile.
> Thanks,
> Indigo L
>
>
>
> On 2/17/2012 11:39 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>> you may try it with V4 and see if it behaves better.
>> best
>> Roy.
>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>
>>
>>> Thanks, Roy.
>>> If I can get loops to repeat seamlessly, now that I can quickly
>>> control 32 tracks with the Behringer BCF2000, I'll have something like
>>> Sonar's Matrix in Reaper.
>>> I don't really care whether it's in Sonar or Reaper, it's nice to have
>>> as many options as possible.
>>> That'll be great when you have Python and can update ReaAccess as
>>> required.
>>> Like the old civil rights hymn says, "Free at last, Free at last,
>>> Hallaluja, Free at last!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2012 7:21 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>> the option with length and rate allows audio items to follow project
>>>> tempo changes.
>>>> best
>>>> Roy.
>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:12 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In project settings, I remember already trying setting Time Base
>>>>> Items/Envelopes/markers set to either Beat Position, rate; or; Beat
>>>>> Position Only; and didn't notice any difference.
>>>>> I think I'll continue to use record touch; which I know for sure
>>>>> begins recording at exactly 000.00, and always keeps the metronome in
>>>>> perfect sync with synth arpeggios.
>>>>> Instead of using Limit Project Length, though, I think I'll try
>>>>> placing a marker at the end of 2 measures.
>>>>> I can assign the action stop recording to the end marker.
>>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if Limit Project Length in Project settings
>>>>> advance was ever meant to be totally accurate, or was just intended to
>>>>> limit the length of long recordings, rather than have them use up the
>>>>> entire available drive space, like in a situation at a live concert,
>>>>> where one forgot to return to the computer and shut off recording.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2012 4:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>> try checking the length of the midi item in the item properties 
>>>>>> dialog
>>>>>> (Shift+F2) with the item in question selected , and see if it's
>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>> 2 measures.
>>>>>> of course , don't forget to set the measurement to beats rather than
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> hope this helps
>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to get reaper to be a very simple loop recorder.
>>>>>>> I hear an inspiring sequence or arpeggio in one of my VST
>>>>>>> instruments,and want to record an exactly 2 measure or exactly 4
>>>>>>> measure loop in Reaper.
>>>>>>> I set track properties to record touch.
>>>>>>> This means that I don't need to concern myself with beginning the
>>>>>>> recording at exactly 000, after metronome countdown; Reaper only
>>>>>>> begins recording when i touch the keyboard keys a at 000, and
>>>>>>> recording is supposed to end at exactly the end of 2 measures.
>>>>>>> There is supposed to be no missing first note; and also no silence
>>>>>>> before recording begins.
>>>>>>> Okay, so good so far.
>>>>>>> I set up, in project properties, advanced, to limit length of
>>>>>>> recording to exactly 2 measures.
>>>>>>> But, although Reaper is set to limit recording length to exactly 2
>>>>>>> measures; there's a little error between my intended 2 measure loop
>>>>>>> legth lenth and what actually occurs.
>>>>>>> This discrepancy was a known math bug way back in Reaper 1, but was
>>>>>>> supposedly fixed in later versions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, even when I manage to record an exact 2 measure seamless midi
>>>>>>> loop, when I render the 2 measure midi loop to audio, there's an
>>>>>>> audible gap between repeats of the audio loop.
>>>>>>> Sure, I can take the audio loop to Sound Forge and spend time
>>>>>>> trimming
>>>>>>> the length and finding the exact zero crossing point to end up with 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> perfect loop, but I shouldn't have to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I begin with a 2 measure midi loop that loops seamlessly, I 
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> get a 2 measure seamless audio loop.
>>>>>>> Audio latency can't be the cause, I'm getting 5 ms or less latency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 measures is 2 measures, why can't I get Reaper to record what I 
>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>> it to record, and not run over that length; or stop recording
>>>>>>> short of
>>>>>>> the 2 measure recording length I previoussly set?
>>>>>>> I don't get it, what's the problem here?
>>>>>>> Does anyone know a better setup to achieve what I want??
>>>>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
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