[RWP] Very simple question

Fri Feb 17 13:24:05 EST 2012

I will try Reaper 4.x, maybe small calculation errors are fixed.
You know, I get as many tips from www.gearslutz.com now as from Cockos 
forums.
All kinds of refugees from ProTools, Cubase, whatever, to Reaper are 
there, some now running commercial studios based on  Reaper.
I find many of the same problems i encounter, like getting reliable 
seamless loops.
Maybe I should not record my loops in midi at all, but directly in audio 
in Sound Forge.
I don't remember a way to preset recording length in Sound Forge, but 
I'll bet it's there.
It's not that I don't know how to trim loops, I got that down many years 
ago, it just shouldn't ever be required if the software is doing its job
2 measures is 2 measures, not even 1 sample more or less.
When I get the perfect 2 measure midi loop that repeats seamlessly, then 
render it to .wav, there's a gapbetween repeats that wasn't there in the 
midi loop.
That should never happen.
Computers are supposed to be perfect counting devices.
That's their strength.
If they can't get the sum right, we may as well go back to counting on 
our fingers and toes. smile.
Thanks,
Indigo L

On 2/17/2012 11:39 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
> you may try it with V4 and see if it behaves better.
> best
> Roy.
> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
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>> Thanks, Roy.
>> If I can get loops to repeat seamlessly, now that I can quickly
>> control 32 tracks with the Behringer BCF2000, I'll have something like
>> Sonar's Matrix in Reaper.
>> I don't really care whether it's in Sonar or Reaper, it's nice to have
>> as many options as possible.
>> That'll be great when you have Python and can update ReaAccess as
>> required.
>> Like the old civil rights hymn says, "Free at last, Free at last,
>> Hallaluja, Free at last!"
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2012 7:21 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> the option with length and rate allows audio items to follow project
>>> tempo changes.
>>> best
>>> Roy.
>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>
>>>
>>>> In project settings, I remember already trying setting Time Base
>>>> Items/Envelopes/markers set to either Beat Position, rate; or; Beat
>>>> Position Only; and didn't notice any difference.
>>>> I think I'll continue to use record touch; which I know for sure
>>>> begins recording at exactly 000.00, and always keeps the metronome in
>>>> perfect sync with synth arpeggios.
>>>> Instead of using Limit Project Length, though, I think I'll try
>>>> placing a marker at the end of 2 measures.
>>>> I can assign the action stop recording to the end marker.
>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if Limit Project Length in Project settings
>>>> advance was ever meant to be totally accurate, or was just intended to
>>>> limit the length of long recordings, rather than have them use up the
>>>> entire available drive space, like in a situation at a live concert,
>>>> where one forgot to return to the computer and shut off recording.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2012 4:29 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> try checking the length of the midi item in the item properties dialog
>>>>> (Shift+F2) with the item in question selected , and see if it's
>>>>> exactly
>>>>> 2 measures.
>>>>> of course , don't forget to set the measurement to beats rather than
>>>>> time.
>>>>> hope this helps
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Very simple question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to get reaper to be a very simple loop recorder.
>>>>>> I hear an inspiring sequence or arpeggio in one of my VST
>>>>>> instruments,and want to record an exactly 2 measure or exactly 4
>>>>>> measure loop in Reaper.
>>>>>> I set track properties to record touch.
>>>>>> This means that I don't need to concern myself with beginning the
>>>>>> recording at exactly 000, after metronome countdown; Reaper only
>>>>>> begins recording when i touch the keyboard keys a at 000, and
>>>>>> recording is supposed to end at exactly the end of 2 measures.
>>>>>> There is supposed to be no missing first note; and also no silence
>>>>>> before recording begins.
>>>>>> Okay, so good so far.
>>>>>> I set up, in project properties, advanced, to limit length of
>>>>>> recording to exactly 2 measures.
>>>>>> But, although Reaper is set to limit recording length to exactly 2
>>>>>> measures; there's a little error between my intended 2 measure loop
>>>>>> legth lenth and what actually occurs.
>>>>>> This discrepancy was a known math bug way back in Reaper 1, but was
>>>>>> supposedly fixed in later versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, even when I manage to record an exact 2 measure seamless midi
>>>>>> loop, when I render the 2 measure midi loop to audio, there's an
>>>>>> audible gap between repeats of the audio loop.
>>>>>> Sure, I can take the audio loop to Sound Forge and spend time
>>>>>> trimming
>>>>>> the length and finding the exact zero crossing point to end up with a
>>>>>> perfect loop, but I shouldn't have to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I begin with a 2 measure midi loop that loops seamlessly, I should
>>>>>> get a 2 measure seamless audio loop.
>>>>>> Audio latency can't be the cause, I'm getting 5 ms or less latency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 measures is 2 measures, why can't I get Reaper to record what I set
>>>>>> it to record, and not run over that length; or stop recording
>>>>>> short of
>>>>>> the 2 measure recording length I previoussly set?
>>>>>> I don't get it, what's the problem here?
>>>>>> Does anyone know a better setup to achieve what I want??
>>>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
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