[RWP] setting a USB input?

Tue Feb 14 13:35:09 EST 2012

I'll check the disc to see if there are any audio drivers.
It's a guitar amp, not a guitar, and it's not midi, there is simply a USB 
audio output on the amp for direct recording.
The mustang shows up as a soundcard or sound device, but for recording only.
Yep, any latency at all drives guitar players crazy.
with latency in the system, you have to go back and adjust track timing to 
compensate if you multi-track, and that's a pain...especially with punching 
and various other things.
It would cost as much as the amp cost to get close to zero latency on the 
system.

Also, the fuse software does have USB output gain control for each amp 
patch, so I could get help setting those to a higher level.
Apparently the fender fuse software doesn't work with JFW, wineyes, NVDA or 
any sort of screen reader...even the linux plug isn't accessible under 
ubuntu.
We are in talks with the team at fender responsible for creating the 
software and they are actually interested in making it accessible for us, 
though it's not their highest priority at this point.
We've got a long time fender endorsed celebrity putting his name and 
influence behind the idea of making both the software accessible, and 
possibly putting some kind of audible feedback system into the next major 
version of the amp.
So perhaps by the time I'm 80, and when the devil is strapping on his 
skates, there will be a usable piece of software.
The thing is too, that there are no back doors into the software or settings 
files...so you can't edit say a notepad file and save it and upload it to 
the device...all the uploading, downloading and so on is done through the 
fuse software exclusively.
So much in the audio world is like this.

Regards
Colin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] setting a USB input?

> Doesn't ASIO work with that guitar?
> Maybe Mustang has its own ASIO driver online or on its installation disc.
> I suddenly got huge latency once when I accidentally selected the generic 
> ASIO driver when I was in Reaper's setup, instead of the specific EMu ASIO 
> driver my EMu midi interface needs
>
> Maybe you'd get Mustang's  ASIO driver, plus more volume,  if you ran 
> their inaccessible Midi software, even if you couldn't access it to make 
> changes within it.
> My EMu soundcard's control panel is practically inaccessible, but I get 
> away with running it by bringing up various setup templates that have 
> something near the routing and ins and outs I need.
> Maybe you could get sighted help with setup of the Mustang control panel 
> one time, then not need to change it after that.
> Just thoughts, I never used a midi guitar, but any latency is bound to 
> bother a guitarist, I would think,
> Indigo L
>
>
> On 2/13/2012 7:23 PM, colin McDonald wrote:
>> actually, it wasn't that complicated after all.
>> I typically use WDM kirnal for my sound driver because it seems to have
>> the lowest latency on my machine.
>> With that device, only the regular onboard soundcard and the "USB audio
>> device" were showing up.
>> I switched the driver to direct sound, and suddenly, "mustang amplifier"
>> showed up in the audio input list. I simply hit enter on mustang
>> amplifier, and everything works now.
>> Although, the latency from the amp via USB is just as bad, if not a bit
>> worse than going through my soundcard line in jack.
>> I was hoping that it would be reduced to minimal latency.
>> However, the audio is excellent through the USB input. Although, the
>> level is rather low compared to line level..about 6 or 7DB down from
>> normal unity input...I checked in my windows volume control and although
>> I can find the mustang amp device in recording properties, it doesn't
>> have any controls to adjust.
>> No big deal, with massive headroom in reaper, I simply need to increase
>> volume by 7 DB to get a good unity level...and anything beyond that is
>> easy with over plus30DB of clean headroom.
>>
>> Now if only fender was good enough to make the mustang into a midi
>> device and offer all the patches as plugins or something...they kind of
>> do that, but it's with their own fuse software, written in silverlite
>> and completely inaccessible with JFW or wineyes.
>>
>> Regards
>> Colin
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 3:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] setting a USB input?
>>
>>
>>> That's your problem, Colin.
>>> If you're in Options/preferences/audio devices, and your USB device is
>>> not showing the word Enabled after it's name, it won't get through to
>>> record anything.
>>> I am running Winize, but it's pretty much the same procedure on Jaws.
>>> Get focus on the name of your USB audio device at your arrow keys.
>>> Route to your PC cursor and go to your number pad.
>>> Make sure the name of your USB device is selected at your number pad.
>>> Right click there at the number pad on its name.
>>> Now, go back to your arrow keys and arrow down until you find the word
>>> Configure.
>>> Hit enter on Configure, go to your tab key and tab down to Enable;
>>> with a checkbox, and make sure it's checked with your spacebar.
>>> Then tab down and hit enter on Apply, then hit enter on okay.
>>>
>>> It would be a good idea to close and reopen Reaper to learn if it now
>>> shows Enabled after the USB audio device's name, because I've been
>>> told that sometimes Jaws makes enabling look as if it's been done; but
>>> it hasn't taken, and needs to be redone.
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/13/2012 3:44 PM, colin McDonald wrote:
>>>> It's audio sent over USB and not midi.
>>>> it shows in the availible audio devices list, but it doesn't show
>>>> enabled or unavailible or disabled or anything like that.
>>>> I remember when I was setting up midi ins and outs, I could mouse click
>>>> on the device in the list, and go into another screen where I could
>>>> enable or disable that device.
>>>> I'm not getting that with the audio device list.
>>>> I'll check on my other machine which can be a bit more user friendly
>>>> with reaper sometimes.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:07 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] setting a USB input?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is that Mustang sending audio over USB?
>>>>> If so, it should be shown as Enabled in Reaper's Available audio
>>>>> devices list.
>>>>> If it's midi sent over USB, it should be shown as Enabled in Reaper's
>>>>> list of available midi devices.
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/2012 7:00 PM, colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys:
>>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone can help with setting up reper to listen to a
>>>>>> USB input?
>>>>>> I just bought a fender mustang IV with USB direct out capability.
>>>>>> I went into devices in preferences and set the record to USB...but I
>>>>>> can't seem to get it to let me go in and enable that input even 
>>>>>> though
>>>>>> it's selected.
>>>>>> I know it is no longer using the microphone or line in input on the
>>>>>> soundcard, but nothing seems to be coming from the USB port either.
>>>>>> The amp automatically recognizes when the USB cable is connected, so 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't have to go in and set it to USB output or anything.
>>>>>> Just wondering if I'm missing something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>
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