[RWP] Success Running Reaper With Behringer BCF2000

Sun Feb 12 12:51:57 EST 2012

Hi,
I don't know if these Behringer text documents are any use but they should 
be worth a look anyway.

You've got a file called Behringer documents folder.zip, (1.4 MB) waiting to 
be downloaded (It was sent using Sendspace by 
trevor.scott4 at btopenworld.comYou can use the following link to retrieve your 
file:

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/kg2b39

Hope they are some use.

Cheers,
Trevor
-----Original Message----- 
From: indigo
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:27 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] Success Running Reaper With Behringer BCF2000

Mike, I already wrote to Scott; saying I'm afraid that OCR isn't going
to do much good for these Behringer documents.
They are using large bit map pictures of the control surface's front
panel, with only a few words of instruction or a lable near a control;
sometimes only a couple of words per page.
Without the pictures of the controls, the labels and instruction tips
for that control just stack up in a list, where they make no sense at all

I think the OCR in PDF2TXT probably rendered all the bit map words in
the 22 page user's manual, and they all took up less than 1 page, in a
useless  list
.I'm going to have to get the documents human read, ask questions, take
notes, and, once I understand it, write it up in a tutorial.
It's back to the way I had to study manuals twenty years ago,
unfortunately, very trying on my poor wife's patience. smile.Of course,
I could be wrong, so if you want to have a go at them with OCR, maybe
you'll find more there with your OCR than little old PDF2TXT did.
Thanks,
Indigo L

On 2/11/2012 4:57 PM, Mike Calvo Yesterday Today and Forever Ministries
wrote:
> I'm sure we can handle that. If you need me to extend the trial so you
> can produce them let me know.
> Mike
>
> Original message:
>> Hi Indigo,
>
>> Just a thought, I wonder whether something like DocuScan Plus from
>> Serotek might be able to OCR those Behringer PDF's? Last time I
>> checked in, they were running a free 7 day trial.
>
>> Scott
>
>> On 2/11/12, indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> I've set it up twice now, because last night I updated the Behringer USB
>>> midi driver and managed to make the setup stop working.
>>> Yes, it is a very strange configuration procedure from my screenreader.
>>> I think decades of running winize, with no help from scripts, has taught
>>> me to try every possible move to reach elusive buttons; especially using
>>> the number padcursor.
>
>>> I've only done it in Window-Eyes, and I couldn't have got it done
>>> without Wineyes's read previous and read next item; numpad insert plus 7
>>> or 9; which exposed a little blank area just before the Midi Input and
>>> Midi output buttons.
>>> As sometimes occurs, Winize is speaking the buttons a few pixels off
>>> their correct position, so no amount of clicking on those buttons gets
>>> them to react.
>>> My wife had no problem left clicking them from the physical mouse.
>
>>> In winize, when I left clicked from the number pad in that little
>>> blankplace just before the spoken button, the list of choices for Midi
>>> Input and Midi Output appear at the arrow keys.
>>> I'll try looking at the same assignment procedure with Jaws 10 today, to
>>> learn how to do it with Jaws.
>>> I honestly don't know if N V D A can be made to provide enough
>>> information to do the assignment, since it's review from the number pad
>>> is very limited; but Sometimes N V D A surprises me by providing more
>>> info than Window-Eyes at the tab and arrow keys, I hope so in this case.
>>> By doing it twice now, I've simplified the procedure, and eliminated
>>> some of the unnecessary moves.
>
>>> Except for easy writing and reading automation, so far, everything you
>>> get from the BCF2000 you can do from ReaAccess, it's just quicker and
>>> more impressive from a control surface.
>
>>> Now, the puzzle has become determining exactly what the control surface
>>> buttons and their shift buttons are doing in Reaper.
>>> To make it all even more fun, way too many of the Behringer PDF
>>> documents are in bit map image.
>>> Well, eventually I hope to get those read by my very busy wife, so I'll
>>> somehow get it all sorted out.
>>> Indigo L
>
>>> On 2/11/2012 1:58 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> Awesome, even if the setup process is a little strange.
>
>>>> Keep us posted on how you get on when you throw Tim's MDR into the mix
>>>> man.
>
>>>> Scott
>
>>>> On 2/10/12, indigo<33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> Yea, I think I got it!
>>>>> I followed a combination of directions from a YouTube video, and the
>>>>> directions I got from a Gear Heads forum.
>>>>> In my Reaper 3.78, Windows XP 32 bit, and Window-Eyes 6.1, the BCF2000
>>>>> must be disabled in Reaper's options/preferences/Midi Devices; just
>>>>> the
>>>>> opposite of
>>>>> the directions for running Sonar with the Mackie Display Reader, where
>>>>> the BCF2000 must be enabled in Sonar's Midi Devices.
>>>>> I set the BCR2000 in Mackie Mode Sonar, opened reaper, went to
>>>>> options/preferences/midi devices, enabled and then disabled the
>>>>> BCF2000
>>>>> settings; just to wake up the settings and make sure they took.
>>>>> This time I got the apply button that should have been there
>>>>> before, but
>>>>> wasn't.
>>>>> I hit apply; then okay.
>>>>> Then I went to Reaper's options/preferences/control surface; double
>>>>> clicked on the Remove button at the number pad; to removed any
>>>>> previous
>>>>> assignment, double clicked on add and selected Mackie Mode Universal
>>>>> from the list of 8 modes the BCF2000 sends.
>>>>> I went to the number pad and single left clicked on Mackie Mode
>>>>> Universal, and got Mackie DEV 55; 1 of 1; in that same edit boxwhere
>>>>> Mackie Mode Universal was shown before.
>>>>> Still at the number pad, I went to Midi Output, and this time the
>>>>> current input and output settings were shown on a line above Midi
>>>>> Input
>>>>> and on a line above Midi Output.
>>>>> I single left clicked each of the setting that were displayed; and a
>>>>> menu dropped at the arrow keys.
>>>>> The BCF2000 shows 2 settings in Midi Input, BCF2000, and below that
>>>>> BCF2000, with a 2 in parentheses.
>>>>> I selected the top setting.
>>>>> In Midi Output the BCF2000 shows 3 settings, BCF2000, below that
>>>>> BCF2000
>>>>> (2) and below that BCF2000 (3).
>>>>> I also chose the top setting for Midi output
>>>>> Then I hit okay, closed and reopened Reaper, and the faders
>>>>> immediately
>>>>> jumped to tracks 1 through 8, I pushed the right bank button and the
>>>>> faders jumped to tracks 9 through 16, then 17 through 24, etcetera;
>>>>> through the 32 track project.
>>>>> Each time the faders jumped to a different bank of tracks they took a
>>>>> different position, showing that Reaper is sending track level
>>>>> information to the BCF2000, and the fader positions indicate the
>>>>> track's
>>>>> level.
>>>>> The transport buttons work as expected. The V Pots send pan for each
>>>>> track..
>>>>> In Reaper the top mute button sets a marker at the current
>>>>> position, and
>>>>> holding the upper shift button while pressing the top button mutes the
>>>>> track, not quite the same as in Sonar.
>>>>> I'm sure there are many more settings to discover yet, with the
>>>>> combinations of shift buttons and other buttons.
>>>>> Best of all, ReaAccess seems totally unaffected, everything I
>>>>> tested in
>>>>> ReaAccess still works as expected.
>>>>> When I exit Reaper I no longer lose speech, as in my last experiment
>>>>> It looks very much like the BCF2000 adds to the access we already get
>>>>> from ReaAccess, to do automations, and should be very useful during
>>>>> mixdown.
>>>>> I even got some speech from ReaAccess, announcing setting Marker 1
>>>>> when
>>>>> I pushed the top button.
>
>>>>> Now I'm wondering what those other BCF2000 settings in Midi Input and
>>>>> Midi Output will do.
>>>>> Next, I'll try connecting Tim Burgess's Mackie Display Reader between
>>>>> the BCF2000 and Reaper, with virtual midi cables, and maybe I'll get
>>>>> spoken feedback as to what each of the BCF2000's controls is doing.
>>>>> Indigo L
>
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