[RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control surface

Thu Feb 2 20:16:45 EST 2012

It does have a scrub wheel...and there are always BCF 200's floating around 
just bought and being sold on by people who never use them.

I think it's a no brainer, for experimentation if nothing else...that said, 
I have mine and haven't had a chance to get it going for about six months!

Brian.
p.s. sorry, I know your initial question wasn't directed at me but I knew 
the answer! haha

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From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:12 AM
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Subject: Re: [RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control surface

> Holy cow, motorized faders for that price? I never knew.
>
> Guessing it doesn't have a scrub wheel Indigo?
>
> Scott
>
> On 2/3/12, indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> Rikki, I don't have any firewire gear, but I constantly hear that many
>> firewire sound cards  only work on Texas Instrument chips in the
>> firewire circuits, so maybe your soundcard isn't broken, maybe the
>> problem is in the  Firewire cards.
>> Just got my Behringer BCF2000 yesterday, and Behringer gear is so cheap
>> that it's a miracle how they can do it, but... there's no way it can be
>> as sturdy as the old Roland and Yamaha Made in Japan gear of the 1990's,.
>> I have some of that old hardware myself, that still works like new.
>> My old Roland MC-307 groove box cost over $700 in 1990, which would be
>> maybe twice or 3 times that in current dollars.
>>
>> It's not only Behringer that has become more delicate, but Yamaha and
>> Roland gear is all plastic now, even the pots and switches are all
>> plastic, and just not as fine or enduring as the old gear was.
>> It's inflation.
>> The dollar is so inflated now that we'd need to pay the cost of the real
>> Mackie;  to get that 1990's quality.
>> Even so, if you treat a Behringer BCR2000 with care, it should  do the 
>> job.
>> It's wonderfully powerful, and somehow finds more parameters to tweak in
>> soft synths than my Edirol PCR control surface does.
>> I love it, but, when myine arrived, one of the knobs on the top row
>> stuck down when you pushed it, instead of springing back up like the
>> others; and also didn't turn as smoothly as the others.
>> I debated whether to return it to ZZounds.com, who have a great no
>> hassle return policy, but I wanted to make the Behringer work if I
>> could, so I got out the control lube spray can and drowned that knob in
>> lube.
>> I kept turning it and clicking it on and off until it'became unfrozen;
>> and now  it'works as good as the other knobs in the row.
>> So, Behringer is cheap, and the quality isn't 100 percent, but when it's
>> in mackie emulation mode it does most of what the Mackie does, like you
>> said, for a fraction of the price.
>> Reaper recognized it immediately, and; even without running the Klink
>> plug, the Behringer sends program change messages to more soft synths
>> than my Edirol PCR does, I don't know why that is, and tweaks a few soft
>> synth parameters, like volume, or filter, in many VST synths; without
>> even being configured.
>> Tomorrow, I'll put the BCF2000 into Mackie mode for Cubase, and run the
>> Klinke plug and learn how much it controls Reaper.
>> The BCF2000 has no LCD screen, and you can set modes by holding certain
>> keys when turning power on, so it's very accessible.
>> I don't know all the details yet, but I think that the top 8 knobs
>> actually have 64 possible actions, 8 knobs, times 4 banks, times 2,
>> because the knobs switch actions when pressed down.
>> The buttons have a decent feel to their click, and the motorized 100
>> millimeter faders are very smooth, and a pleasure to use.
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/2012 2:46 PM, Rikki Chaplin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Thanks for this Indigo. I am about to investigate sound cards/control
>>> surfaces. I have an Echo Audiofire 4, (I just wanted to start off small
>>> a few years ago and never got around to it), which I have recently found
>>> is faulty. It is not being recognised when I plug it into the firewire
>>> card I just bought for my laptop, and I have tried it on a second
>>> firewire card with the same result, confirmed by a local computer shop.
>>> So I will need to either get it repaired, (if it's even possible), or
>>> get a new one. So I'm reading this thread about the Behringer BCF2000
>>> with great interest, as I intend to sort this out next week when I get
>>> to a decent music shop.
>>>
>>> My question is, I just looked at both the Bcf 2000 and the Mackie
>>> control surface whose name escapes me at the moment, and I notice that
>>> the Behringer is about a tenth of the price of the Mackie! Why is this?
>>> Does a brand name really attract such a price difference! Also, of
>>> course I know the Mackie is much more expensive, but wouldn't it be
>>> easier to have the Mackie work with Reaper in that you wouldn't have to
>>> install the Klinke plugin and configure that? I may well be on the wrong
>>> track here, so any recommendations on USB audio/midi interfaces would be
>>> good. I don't want something too big. I want to start out small, see how
>>> I go and work up from there. Midi is not something I'm familiar with
>>> configuring, but I want to get into that so I'm able to at least record
>>> good quality demos both for myself and others. Any suggestions on
>>> audio/midi interfaces as I say would be good. I have a couple in mind
>>> but feedback would be welcome.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rikki.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: indigo <33indigo at charter.net
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at reaaccess.com
>>> Date sent: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:23:10 -0500
>>> Subject: [RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control surface
>>>
>>> Content preview: Okay, here are links to the Cockos forum where 
>>> everything
>>> about running Reaper from the Behringer BCF2000 control surface have 
>>> been
>>> gathered in 1 place, plus a link where you can download Klinke's plug by
>>> Nofish.
>>> Klinke is the programmer who developed the VST plug to set up a 
>>> Behringer
>>> BCF2000 to run Reaper, and I think Nofish is the English translater. 
>>> Below
>>> that is what passes for a users guide by musicbynumber to how Klinke's
>>> plug
>>> sets up the controls on the Behringer BCF2000. All this is still 
>>> evolving,
>>> but sighted users on the forums are saying it works well, and my own
>>> BCF2000
>>> is on its way, so I'll try Klinke's plug soon. [...]
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>>> Okay, here are links to the Cockos forum where everything about running
>>> Reaper from the Behringer BCF2000 control surface have been gathered in
>>> 1 place, plus a link where you can download Klinke's plug by Nofish.
>>> Klinke is the programmer who developed the VST plug to set up a
>>> Behringer BCF2000 to run Reaper, and I think Nofish is the English
>>> translater.
>>> Below that is what passes for a users guide by musicbynumber
>>> to how Klinke's plug sets up the controls on the Behringer BCF2000.
>>> All this is still evolving, but sighted users on the forums are saying
>>> it works well, and my own BCF2000 is on its way, so I'll try Klinke's
>>> plug soon.
>>>
>>> Along with this plug to set up the BCF2000 for Reaper, is the new Mackie
>>> Reader, which will provide speech for all controls on the BCF2000.
>>> The Mackie Reader is in its final stages of development and coming soon.
>>> I'll posts links for Mackie Reader as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>> Central Cockos Forum for running Reaper from Behringer BCF2000:
>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60110
>>> Link to find Klinke's plug by Nofish; for setting up BCF2000 to run
>>> Reaper:
>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60110
>>>
>>>
>>> Mackie Control now with plugin control ;-) And with Action-Mode.
>>> musicbynumber
>>> BCF2000 help guide thing.. very rough
>>>
>>> First things first
>>> you have to get the latest behringer usb drivers for it to work well
>>> over usb (never tried it over midi). They are multiclient and that's
>>> what's needed to talk with the BcfView and reaper at the same time. That
>>> is probably why none of it's
>>> This link gives you a guide to the bcf in mcu cubase mode
>>> http://www.behringerdownload.de/BCF2...tion_modes.pdf
>>>
>>> There's an overview for the controls but only when it's set up for sonar
>>> mcu so I will try and get round to making a picture but here's an idea.
>>> ---top group of 4 buttons..
>>>
>>> -top left one is a shift key and does solo and record arm and some
>>> automation modes using the group of 4 below it) and in combination with
>>> the top right it does flip mode.
>>> -the bottom left is also a shift key that allows you to also use the
>>> group of four below it to change automation modes (and some stuff on the
>>> transport controls too but not sure yet) EDIT: it also gives you 8
>>> function keys (cc's in action list) that are the 8 select buttons (you
>>> have 8 more with the real shift key but hard to get to)
>>> -the top right is sends mode, press again for recieves mode (makes
>>> headphone sends a dream to work with.
>>> -the bottom right seems to be a toggle switch too but only in fx and
>>> action mode.
>>>
>>> --middle group of four.
>>>
>>> -bottom left is normal pan and channel mode (use control to select
>>> multiple tracks unless you have the original select method on)
>>>
>>> -top left is action mode, this is stunning, if you have relative mode on
>>> for that encoder you get a midi cc sent on push, release and turn BUT
>>> just as cool is if you take relative mode off you now get a cc sent on a
>>> clockwise turn and a different one on anti clockwise and they repeat
>>> with each click so this allows you to do cool things like stretch and
>>> item or shorten it by turning a knob or timestretch or pitch or any
>>> commands that have a positive and negative adjust. It's very powerful!
>>>
>>> top right is also fx mode, note, the rotary encoders can be used for
>>> things like frequency but the have to be learnt (you have to go through
>>> all the steps) but this also allows them to be used for things like eq
>>> type and they even get the right names once you get used to it, it is
>>> fast and powerful and far superior even to automap (which I have two
>>> devices)
>>>
>>> -bottom right seems to be a toggle modifier again still learning it.
>>>
>>>
>>> --two buttons on their own.
>>>
>>> -bank left and right but if you hold one of the shifts they move through
>>> single channels instead of banks of 8.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --bottom four buttons
>>>
>>> -the usual, stop, play, fast forward and reverse, the shifts do things
>>> like activate record and cycle.
>>>
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