[RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control surface

Thu Feb 2 20:12:33 EST 2012

Holy cow, motorized faders for that price? I never knew.

Guessing it doesn't have a scrub wheel Indigo?

Scott

On 2/3/12, indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> Rikki, I don't have any firewire gear, but I constantly hear that many
> firewire sound cards  only work on Texas Instrument chips in the
> firewire circuits, so maybe your soundcard isn't broken, maybe the
> problem is in the  Firewire cards.
> Just got my Behringer BCF2000 yesterday, and Behringer gear is so cheap
> that it's a miracle how they can do it, but... there's no way it can be
> as sturdy as the old Roland and Yamaha Made in Japan gear of the 1990's,.
> I have some of that old hardware myself, that still works like new.
> My old Roland MC-307 groove box cost over $700 in 1990, which would be
> maybe twice or 3 times that in current dollars.
>
> It's not only Behringer that has become more delicate, but Yamaha and
> Roland gear is all plastic now, even the pots and switches are all
> plastic, and just not as fine or enduring as the old gear was.
> It's inflation.
> The dollar is so inflated now that we'd need to pay the cost of the real
> Mackie;  to get that 1990's quality.
> Even so, if you treat a Behringer BCR2000 with care, it should  do the job.
> It's wonderfully powerful, and somehow finds more parameters to tweak in
> soft synths than my Edirol PCR control surface does.
> I love it, but, when myine arrived, one of the knobs on the top row
> stuck down when you pushed it, instead of springing back up like the
> others; and also didn't turn as smoothly as the others.
> I debated whether to return it to ZZounds.com, who have a great no
> hassle return policy, but I wanted to make the Behringer work if I
> could, so I got out the control lube spray can and drowned that knob in
> lube.
> I kept turning it and clicking it on and off until it'became unfrozen;
> and now  it'works as good as the other knobs in the row.
> So, Behringer is cheap, and the quality isn't 100 percent, but when it's
> in mackie emulation mode it does most of what the Mackie does, like you
> said, for a fraction of the price.
> Reaper recognized it immediately, and; even without running the Klink
> plug, the Behringer sends program change messages to more soft synths
> than my Edirol PCR does, I don't know why that is, and tweaks a few soft
> synth parameters, like volume, or filter, in many VST synths; without
> even being configured.
> Tomorrow, I'll put the BCF2000 into Mackie mode for Cubase, and run the
> Klinke plug and learn how much it controls Reaper.
> The BCF2000 has no LCD screen, and you can set modes by holding certain
> keys when turning power on, so it's very accessible.
> I don't know all the details yet, but I think that the top 8 knobs
> actually have 64 possible actions, 8 knobs, times 4 banks, times 2,
> because the knobs switch actions when pressed down.
> The buttons have a decent feel to their click, and the motorized 100
> millimeter faders are very smooth, and a pleasure to use.
> Indigo L
>
>
>
>
> On 2/2/2012 2:46 PM, Rikki Chaplin wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Thanks for this Indigo. I am about to investigate sound cards/control
>> surfaces. I have an Echo Audiofire 4, (I just wanted to start off small
>> a few years ago and never got around to it), which I have recently found
>> is faulty. It is not being recognised when I plug it into the firewire
>> card I just bought for my laptop, and I have tried it on a second
>> firewire card with the same result, confirmed by a local computer shop.
>> So I will need to either get it repaired, (if it's even possible), or
>> get a new one. So I'm reading this thread about the Behringer BCF2000
>> with great interest, as I intend to sort this out next week when I get
>> to a decent music shop.
>>
>> My question is, I just looked at both the Bcf 2000 and the Mackie
>> control surface whose name escapes me at the moment, and I notice that
>> the Behringer is about a tenth of the price of the Mackie! Why is this?
>> Does a brand name really attract such a price difference! Also, of
>> course I know the Mackie is much more expensive, but wouldn't it be
>> easier to have the Mackie work with Reaper in that you wouldn't have to
>> install the Klinke plugin and configure that? I may well be on the wrong
>> track here, so any recommendations on USB audio/midi interfaces would be
>> good. I don't want something too big. I want to start out small, see how
>> I go and work up from there. Midi is not something I'm familiar with
>> configuring, but I want to get into that so I'm able to at least record
>> good quality demos both for myself and others. Any suggestions on
>> audio/midi interfaces as I say would be good. I have a couple in mind
>> but feedback would be welcome.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rikki.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: indigo <33indigo at charter.net
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at reaaccess.com
>> Date sent: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:23:10 -0500
>> Subject: [RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control surface
>>
>> Content preview: Okay, here are links to the Cockos forum where everything
>> about running Reaper from the Behringer BCF2000 control surface have been
>> gathered in 1 place, plus a link where you can download Klinke's plug by
>> Nofish.
>> Klinke is the programmer who developed the VST plug to set up a Behringer
>> BCF2000 to run Reaper, and I think Nofish is the English translater. Below
>> that is what passes for a users guide by musicbynumber to how Klinke's
>> plug
>> sets up the controls on the Behringer BCF2000. All this is still evolving,
>> but sighted users on the forums are saying it works well, and my own
>> BCF2000
>> is on its way, so I'll try Klinke's plug soon. [...]
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>> Okay, here are links to the Cockos forum where everything about running
>> Reaper from the Behringer BCF2000 control surface have been gathered in
>> 1 place, plus a link where you can download Klinke's plug by Nofish.
>> Klinke is the programmer who developed the VST plug to set up a
>> Behringer BCF2000 to run Reaper, and I think Nofish is the English
>> translater.
>> Below that is what passes for a users guide by musicbynumber
>> to how Klinke's plug sets up the controls on the Behringer BCF2000.
>> All this is still evolving, but sighted users on the forums are saying
>> it works well, and my own BCF2000 is on its way, so I'll try Klinke's
>> plug soon.
>>
>> Along with this plug to set up the BCF2000 for Reaper, is the new Mackie
>> Reader, which will provide speech for all controls on the BCF2000.
>> The Mackie Reader is in its final stages of development and coming soon.
>> I'll posts links for Mackie Reader as soon as possible.
>>
>> Indigo L
>>
>> Central Cockos Forum for running Reaper from Behringer BCF2000:
>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60110
>> Link to find Klinke's plug by Nofish; for setting up BCF2000 to run
>> Reaper:
>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60110
>>
>>
>> Mackie Control now with plugin control ;-) And with Action-Mode.
>> musicbynumber
>> BCF2000 help guide thing.. very rough
>>
>> First things first
>> you have to get the latest behringer usb drivers for it to work well
>> over usb (never tried it over midi). They are multiclient and that's
>> what's needed to talk with the BcfView and reaper at the same time. That
>> is probably why none of it's
>> This link gives you a guide to the bcf in mcu cubase mode
>> http://www.behringerdownload.de/BCF2...tion_modes.pdf
>>
>> There's an overview for the controls but only when it's set up for sonar
>> mcu so I will try and get round to making a picture but here's an idea.
>> ---top group of 4 buttons..
>>
>> -top left one is a shift key and does solo and record arm and some
>> automation modes using the group of 4 below it) and in combination with
>> the top right it does flip mode.
>> -the bottom left is also a shift key that allows you to also use the
>> group of four below it to change automation modes (and some stuff on the
>> transport controls too but not sure yet) EDIT: it also gives you 8
>> function keys (cc's in action list) that are the 8 select buttons (you
>> have 8 more with the real shift key but hard to get to)
>> -the top right is sends mode, press again for recieves mode (makes
>> headphone sends a dream to work with.
>> -the bottom right seems to be a toggle switch too but only in fx and
>> action mode.
>>
>> --middle group of four.
>>
>> -bottom left is normal pan and channel mode (use control to select
>> multiple tracks unless you have the original select method on)
>>
>> -top left is action mode, this is stunning, if you have relative mode on
>> for that encoder you get a midi cc sent on push, release and turn BUT
>> just as cool is if you take relative mode off you now get a cc sent on a
>> clockwise turn and a different one on anti clockwise and they repeat
>> with each click so this allows you to do cool things like stretch and
>> item or shorten it by turning a knob or timestretch or pitch or any
>> commands that have a positive and negative adjust. It's very powerful!
>>
>> top right is also fx mode, note, the rotary encoders can be used for
>> things like frequency but the have to be learnt (you have to go through
>> all the steps) but this also allows them to be used for things like eq
>> type and they even get the right names once you get used to it, it is
>> fast and powerful and far superior even to automap (which I have two
>> devices)
>>
>> -bottom right seems to be a toggle modifier again still learning it.
>>
>>
>> --two buttons on their own.
>>
>> -bank left and right but if you hold one of the shifts they move through
>> single channels instead of banks of 8.
>>
>>
>>
>> --bottom four buttons
>>
>> -the usual, stop, play, fast forward and reverse, the shifts do things
>> like activate record and cycle.
>>
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